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Windows Port John Culleton 15 Apr 23:06
  Windows Port J. Todd Slack 15 Apr 23:16
  Windows Port O'Smith 15 Apr 23:28
Windows Port Tom.Williams@diversifiedsoftware.com 15 Apr 23:18
  Windows Port Daniel Carrera 15 Apr 23:35
Windows Port Tom.Williams@diversifiedsoftware.com 15 Apr 23:53
Windows Port Mike 16 Apr 04:33
Windows Port Olivier Ripoll 16 Apr 14:43
  Windows Port John Culleton 16 Apr 20:46
   Windows Port Daniel Carrera 16 Apr 21:38
200304160835.23651.john@wex... 07 Oct 20:15
  Windows Port Daniel Carrera 16 Apr 21:32
John Culleton
2003-04-15 23:06:13 UTC (over 17 years ago)

Windows Port

I have been happily (if sporadically) Gimping along on my Linux system. Then on a mailing list some design pro said: "Photoshop is the best, but is pricey..." So I asked her in a nice way what features PS had that Gimp didn't (other than CMYK.)

She went to the Gimp site and could not find out how to download Gimp for Windows. So I tried to do it myself. Guess what? She is absolutely right. If you click "Downloads" and then "Gimp for Windows" and then downloads again you get a long list of possible downloads for all kinds of configurations with no indication of what is needed for a plain vanilla installation on e.g., Windows XP.

So I ask the list: someone please provide me with a step by step download and install procedure. Please tell me exactly which zip files are needed and where they are. No more, no less. At this point assume that the LZW problem is not in play and the user doesn't have any emulators or whatever installed. The user just wants to download Gimp and start using it.

Can someone give me a cookbook that I can pass on?

No wonder people still use PS :-(

John Culleton

J. Todd Slack
2003-04-15 23:16:37 UTC (over 17 years ago)

Windows Port

Everything you need it on:

http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/downloads.html

I just did this.

You need GTK and the Gimp Installer 1.2.4 or something (from memory)

Does this help?

-Jason

On Tuesday, April 15, 2003, at 05:06 PM, John Culleton wrote:

I have been happily (if sporadically) Gimping along on my Linux system. Then on a mailing list some design pro said: "Photoshop is the best, but is pricey..." So I asked her in a nice way what features PS had that Gimp didn't (other than CMYK.)

She went to the Gimp site and could not find out how to download Gimp for Windows. So I tried to do it myself. Guess what? She is absolutely right. If you click "Downloads" and then "Gimp for Windows" and then downloads again you get a long list of possible downloads for all kinds of configurations with no indication of what is needed for a plain vanilla installation on e.g., Windows XP.

So I ask the list: someone please provide me with a step by step download and install procedure. Please tell me exactly which zip files are needed and where they are. No more, no less. At this point assume that the LZW problem is not in play and the user doesn't have any emulators or whatever installed. The user just wants to download Gimp and start using it.

Can someone give me a cookbook that I can pass on?

No wonder people still use PS :-(

John Culleton

Tom.Williams@diversifiedsoftware.com
2003-04-15 23:18:28 UTC (over 17 years ago)

Windows Port

I think people continue to use PhotoShop because there are some things that are much easier to do with PhotoShop than you can do with GIMP. For example, PhotoShop has a _great_ extract tool that makes it easy to remove a figure from an image. The "intelligent scissors" tool can be used to achieve the same goal, but it's much more involved and often leads to "choppy" extractions... at least for me it does.

Also, I subscribe to the "gimpwin-users" mailing list and people sometimes complain that GIMP on Windows doesn't "behave" like other Windows apps. For example, they get confused by the multiple "SDI" windows used for images and would prefer an "MDI" version so GIMP would behave like PhotoShop or Opera (in MDI) mode on Windows.

I find GIMP a GREAT alternative to PhotoShop (not that I'm a PhotoShop user, but I have used it some) and I recommend it whenever I can. :)

Peace....

Tom

John Culleton To: "gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu" Sent by: gimp-user-bounces@lists.xcf.b cc: erkeley.edu Subject: [Gimp-user] Windows Port 04/15/03 02:06 PM

"Our mission is to help our clients achieve more cost-effective data center operations."

I have been happily (if sporadically) Gimping along on my Linux system. Then on a mailing list some design pro said: "Photoshop is the best, but is pricey..." So I asked her in a nice way what features PS had that Gimp didn't (other than CMYK.)

She went to the Gimp site and could not find out how to download Gimp for Windows. So I tried to do it myself. Guess what? She is absolutely right. If you click "Downloads" and then "Gimp for Windows" and then downloads again you get a long list of possible downloads for all kinds of configurations with no indication of what is needed for a plain vanilla installation on e.g., Windows XP.

So I ask the list: someone please provide me with a step by step download and install procedure. Please tell me exactly which zip files are needed and where they are. No more, no less. At this point assume that the LZW problem is not in play and the user doesn't have any emulators or whatever installed. The user just wants to download Gimp and start using it.

Can someone give me a cookbook that I can pass on?

No wonder people still use PS :-(

John Culleton

O'Smith
2003-04-15 23:28:12 UTC (over 17 years ago)

Windows Port

On Tuesday 15 April 2003 05:06 pm, John Culleton wrote:

I have been happily (if sporadically) Gimping along on my Linux system. Then on a mailing list some design pro said: "Photoshop is the best, but is pricey..." So I asked her in a nice way what features PS had that Gimp didn't (other than CMYK.)

She went to the Gimp site and could not find out how to download Gimp for Windows. So I tried to do it myself. Guess what? She is absolutely right. If you click "Downloads" and then "Gimp for Windows" and then downloads again you get a long list of possible downloads for all kinds of configurations with no indication of what is needed for a plain vanilla installation on e.g., Windows XP.

So I ask the list: someone please provide me with a step by step download and install procedure. Please tell me exactly which zip files are needed and where they are. No more, no less. At this point assume that the LZW problem is not in play and the user doesn't have any emulators or whatever installed. The user just wants to download Gimp and start using it.

Can someone give me a cookbook that I can pass on?

No wonder people still use PS :-(

John Culleton

_______________________________________________ Gimp-user mailing list
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Hi John, This site may help you understand things some better as well as the person you are talking too. The information here needs to be updated as many things have changed as Gimp has progressed. The differences become less and less with each new revision. Also even CMYK can be done, but it is a bit tedious in Gimp. Print separations can be done as well, but again you go around the elbow to get to the hand, so to speak. :o)

Anyway, here is the site: http://manual.gimp.org/manual/GUM/Migrate.html

Patrick

Daniel Carrera
2003-04-15 23:35:32 UTC (over 17 years ago)

Windows Port

For example, they get confused by the multiple "SDI" windows used for images and would prefer an "MDI" version so GIMP would behave like PhotoShop or Opera (in MDI) mode on Windows.

Yeah, I found the SDI confusing at first (but that's hardly an issue with the Windows port), but I found that, after I getting used to it, ti really is much better.

SDI gives you more working space, and more flexibility (under Linux, you can spread the windows over multiple desktops, I do that on occassion). The akward thing about SDI is that it's not obvious where you can find the main menu.

I find GIMP a GREAT alternative to PhotoShop (not that I'm a PhotoShop user, but I have used it some) and I recommend it whenever I can. :)

Me too. GIMP is great. In some cases it actually beats PhotoShop (but if I took a "weighted average" of features I'd say PhotoShop wins).

I hope that GIMP gets CMYK soon. That's the biggest thing I find missing.

Tom.Williams@diversifiedsoftware.com
2003-04-15 23:53:23 UTC (over 17 years ago)

Windows Port

I also find I LIKE the SDI interface as it allows me to more easily "multi-task". I can apply a filter to an image and open up another image and do other manipulations on it while the filter is still running against my first image. About the only thing I wish was improved or added is an extract tool that's as easy to use as PhotoShop's. I'm not sophisticated enough to know what else I would want, at this point. :)

All hail The GIMP! All hail The GIMP!

:)

Peace...

Tom

Daniel Carrera To: Gimp mailing list Sent by: cc: gimp-user-bounces@lists.xcf.b Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Windows Port erkeley.edu 04/15/03 02:35 PM

"Our mission is to help our clients achieve more cost-effective data center operations."

For example, they get confused by the multiple "SDI" windows used for images and would prefer an "MDI" version so GIMP would behave like PhotoShop or Opera (in MDI) mode on Windows.

Yeah, I found the SDI confusing at first (but that's hardly an issue with the Windows port), but I found that, after I getting used to it, ti really is much better.

SDI gives you more working space, and more flexibility (under Linux, you can spread the windows over multiple desktops, I do that on occassion). The akward thing about SDI is that it's not obvious where you can find the main menu.

I find GIMP a GREAT alternative to PhotoShop (not that I'm a PhotoShop user, but I have used it some) and I recommend it whenever I can. :)

Me too. GIMP is great. In some cases it actually beats PhotoShop (but if I took a "weighted average" of features I'd say PhotoShop wins).

I hope that GIMP gets CMYK soon. That's the biggest thing I find missing.

--
Daniel Carrera
Graduate Teaching Assistant. Math Dept. University of Maryland. (301) 405-5137

Mike
2003-04-16 04:33:32 UTC (over 17 years ago)

Windows Port

Can someone give me a cookbook that I can pass on?

I run Windows XP and was frustrated that my computer wouldn't run my old PS 5 (95). I found Gimp for windows and installed it. From http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/gimp/ download gtk+-1.3.0-20030216-setup.zip first and gimp-1.2.4-20030213-setup.zip . As for sourse code I would think your friend would be an artest not a programer so, me thinks,she wouldn't need it.

This will give a pretty good start. However what it did for me was to get me into the whole GNU thing:)) I also downloaded a .iso of Linux and have installed, from a Cd I created, on an old box trying to learn my way around. So far I like what I see:))

Olivier Ripoll
2003-04-16 14:43:17 UTC (over 17 years ago)

Windows Port

John Culleton wrote:

I have been happily (if sporadically) Gimping along on my Linux system. Then on a mailing list some design pro said: "Photoshop is the best, but is pricey..." So I asked her in a nice way what features PS had that Gimp didn't (other than CMYK.)

She went to the Gimp site and could not find out how to download Gimp for Windows. So I tried to do it myself. Guess what? She is absolutely right. If you click "Downloads" and then "Gimp for Windows" and then downloads again you get a long list of possible downloads for all kinds of configurations with no indication of what is needed for a plain vanilla installation on e.g., Windows XP.

Guess what, you are both absolutely wrong!

Go to gimp.org There is a text saying:
"What about Gimp for Windows?
This is the question we get the most mail about. Yes, there is GIMP for Windows."
and there a link. Click on it and you are sent to: http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/ where there is a link called "download" click on it and get to: http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/downloads.html and then you can read about the installer: "Installer

There is a GIMP installer that contains the appropriate stuff from these zipfiles (or relatevely fresh previous versions) at http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/gimp/. That installer is created by Jernej Simoncic, so please ask him about problems with it." A third click leads you to:
http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/gimp/ where two more clicks allow you to download the two installers (gtk+ and gimp)

So there is 5 clicks to download everything you need. and 1 more for additional packages!

Sorry, but before ranting, you should read the pages that you are referring to in your rant!

So I ask the list: someone please provide me with a step by step download and install procedure. Please tell me exactly which zip files are needed and where they are. No more, no less. At this point assume that the LZW problem is not in play and the user doesn't have any emulators or whatever installed. The user just wants to download Gimp and start using it.

The user just has to read the instructions on the web pages and follow the links!

Can someone give me a cookbook that I can pass on?

No wonder people still use PS :-(

John Culleton

Regards,

Olivier.

John Culleton
2003-04-16 20:46:09 UTC (over 17 years ago)

Windows Port

On Wednesday 16 April 2003 08:43 am, Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Guess what, you are both absolutely wrong!

Go to gimp.org
There is a text saying:
"What about Gimp for Windows?
This is the question we get the most mail about. Yes, there is GIMP for Windows."
and there a link. Click on it and you are sent to: http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/ where there is a link called "download" click on it and get to: http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/downloads.html and then you can read about the installer: "Installer

There is a GIMP installer that contains the appropriate stuff from these zipfiles (or relatevely fresh previous versions) at http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/gimp/. That installer is created by Jernej Simoncic, so please ask him about problems with it." A third click leads you to:That installer is created by Jernej Simoncic, so please ask him about problems with it." A third click leads you to:
http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/gimp/ where two more clicks allow you to download the two installers (gtk+ and gimp)

Well, color me dumb but I have some 35+ years in computing and that page confused me. Yes, there was a clickon for the installer. But there were scads of other paragraphs pointing to other resources. Does one need some of them? All of them? None of them?

And the little sentence about "That installer is created by Jernej Simoncic, so please ask him about problems with it." is kind of a turn off. It sort of says "proceed at your own risk---this is unreliable software."

Also, "installer" does not imply that it leads you to a third (or is it fourth?) download page. In other contexts an installer is a piece of software. Since I was running Linux when I was seeking the information I didn't click on "installer" because it would not have operated on my machine anyhow, or so I thought.

Even on that ultimate download page there are enough different downloads available to confuse someone not familiar with the software. And it is one of those miserable colored text on black background things that many people have difficulty reading.

Everything is simple once you understand it. I am putting in a plea for those who don't understand up front what it is all about. I ask for a single download page for Win newbies that says in effect: "These are the only two packages you need for an initial Windows Gimp installation. Download and install Gtk first, then Gimp."

And it would help if one could get to that page without picking one's way through three others.

I am trying to convince a professional graphics designer to try an alternative to PS. If she can't download Gimp without puzzling her way through a forest of confusing options on several crowded download pages she won't bother. And I suspect she is not alone.

Anyhow thanks to those who provided the needed information. I have passed it on.

John Culleton

Daniel Carrera
2003-04-16 21:32:36 UTC (over 17 years ago)

Windows Port

On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 08:35:23AM -0400, John Culleton wrote:

I am still stuck on the download/install problem. I meant something that says:
1. Download these files.

2. do these installation steps.

If the installer does it all then the webpage should say so :-)

AFAIK, the installer *should* do everything. The rest of the page (I think) is in case it doesn't.

1. Download the installer. 2. Run it.
3. Did it work?
yes => start gimping :)
no => email the list with the error message (if any).

Cheers,

Daniel Carrera
2003-04-16 21:38:52 UTC (over 17 years ago)

Windows Port

On Wed, Apr 16, 2003 at 02:46:09PM -0400, John Culleton wrote:

And the little sentence about "That installer is created by Jernej Simoncic, so please ask him about problems with it." is kind of a turn off. It sort of says "proceed at your own risk---this is unreliable software."

Yes, that is precisely what it is meant to say.

The fact is that the Windows port, and more so the installer, are not as reliable as the Linux versions. They are getting there, but they are not htere yet.

Everything is simple once you understand it. I am putting in a plea for those who don't understand up front what it is all about. I ask for a single download page for Win newbies that says in effect: "These are the only two packages you need for an initial Windows Gimp installation. Download and install Gtk first, then Gimp."

[snip]

I agree. The page could use some simplification. I don't think it's well designed either. I don't understand why people ignore this kind of problem so often. I've had similar experiences MANY times (with other programs though).

Best,