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Script-Fu Help (beginner) Allen, Keith 06 Sep 17:08
  Script-Fu Help (beginner) Patrick 06 Sep 17:35
Script-Fu Help (beginner) Walker, Sam 06 Sep 18:31
Gimp and CMYK &DTP Kevin Myers 30 Oct 02:20
Gimp and CMYK &DTP Will Muir 30 Oct 02:50
penguin0601@earthlink.net 07 Oct 20:15
  Script-Fu Help (beginner) Jeff Trefftzs 06 Sep 18:55
  Gimp and CMYK &DTP David Burren 29 Oct 23:46
   Gimp and CMYK &DTP Patrick 30 Oct 02:12
Allen, Keith
2002-09-06 17:08:13 UTC (almost 18 years ago)

Script-Fu Help (beginner)

Hi,

I'm trying to create a simple GIF with some "fancy" text for inclusion on a web page. I want to use the "neon" script-fu to make the text look like it is neon-lighted. I created a new image (RGB) with a white background. Then I created text with the dynamic text rendering filter. Next, I selected the layer created by that filter, and selected the text on the image. I next invoked the script-fu using the defaults. The script, however, does not seem to work. It seems to clear the text and creates two new layers with the neon blue color and black background color, but they are just solid colors. No neon effect.

Am I not using this script-fu correctly (I couldn't find instructions)? Or do script-fu not work well on Windows? I am running the latest GIMP version on the windows page. It's installed on a Windows 2000 Pro computer with 500M RAM.

I tried a few of the other text-logo script-fu and they also did not work. Otherwise, GIMP seems to work all right. Thanks.

Keith Allen

Patrick
2002-09-06 17:35:34 UTC (almost 18 years ago)

Script-Fu Help (beginner)

On Friday 06 September 2002 11:08, Allen, Keith wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to create a simple GIF with some "fancy" text for inclusion on a web page. I want to use the "neon" script-fu to make the text look like it is neon-lighted. I created a new image (RGB) with a white background. Then I created text with the dynamic text rendering filter. Next, I selected the layer created by that filter, and selected the text on the image. I next invoked the script-fu using the defaults. The script, however, does not seem to work. It seems to clear the text and creates two new layers with the neon blue color and black background color, but they are just solid colors. No neon effect.

Am I not using this script-fu correctly (I couldn't find instructions)? Or do script-fu not work well on Windows? I am running the latest GIMP version on the windows page. It's installed on a Windows 2000 Pro computer with 500M RAM.

I tried a few of the other text-logo script-fu and they also did not work. Otherwise, GIMP seems to work all right. Thanks.

Keith Allen

=====================

Keith, Other than the fact you are using Windows, the plugin should work. ;o)

I have used this effect before with Gimp and it works quite nicely, but then I am on Linux too! :o) Have you tried just taking some text and nothing else and applying the plugin? You could do that and then add the text to the picture as another layer, if that works. I have always just used the text I wanted for this plugin and that has worked for me. One of the experts here may have another solution. I am not sure how many Gimp/Windows users we have on the list, but I would think someone has a solution, if mine doesn't work for you.

Patrick

Walker, Sam
2002-09-06 18:31:10 UTC (almost 18 years ago)

Script-Fu Help (beginner)

Try reducing the "Effect Size" parameter in the Neon script arguments GUI.

I'm not sure exactly how it is used in the script, but in general it seems larger numbers make the neon glow more blurred, and smaller numbers are less blurred.
On my Windows installation the default was too large, and completely blurred out the image I was trying to use. I reduced it by a third and the results were much better.

Regards,
Sam

-----Original Message----- From: Patrick [mailto:penguin0601@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:36 AM To: 'gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu' Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Script-Fu Help (beginner)

On Friday 06 September 2002 11:08, Allen, Keith wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to create a simple GIF with some "fancy" text for inclusion on a web page. I want to use the "neon" script-fu to make the text look like it is neon-lighted. I created a new image (RGB) with a white background. Then I created text with the dynamic text rendering filter. Next, I selected the layer created by that filter, and selected the text on the image. I next invoked the script-fu using the defaults. The script, however, does not seem to work. It seems to clear the text and creates two new layers with the neon blue color and black background color, but they are just solid colors. No neon effect.

Am I not using this script-fu correctly (I couldn't find instructions)? Or do script-fu not work well on Windows? I am running the latest GIMP version on the windows page. It's installed on a Windows 2000 Pro computer with 500M RAM.

I tried a few of the other text-logo script-fu and they also did not work. Otherwise, GIMP seems to work all right. Thanks.

Keith Allen

=====================

Keith, Other than the fact you are using Windows, the plugin should work. ;o)

I have used this effect before with Gimp and it works quite nicely, but then I am on Linux too! :o) Have you tried just taking some text and nothing else and applying the plugin? You could do that and then add the text to the picture as another layer, if that works. I have always just used the text I wanted for this plugin and that has worked for me. One of the experts here may have another solution. I am not sure how many Gimp/Windows users we have on the list, but I would think someone has a solution, if mine doesn't work for you.

Patrick

Jeff Trefftzs
2002-09-06 18:55:40 UTC (almost 18 years ago)

Script-Fu Help (beginner)

Hi Keith -

I just tried the same thing on a Linux system - I think the problem is with the dynamic text layer. Try using Layer to Imagesize on that layer first, before calling the alpha to logo script-fu. I haven't had a chance to look at the neon script-fu code yet, but it looks like it's not handling the smaller layer properly.

HTH,

David Burren
2002-10-29 23:46:37 UTC (almost 18 years ago)

Gimp and CMYK &DTP

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:13:55 CDT, Patrick wrote:

Hopefully a solution to the CMYK seperation problem will be forthcoming in a later version of Gimp, because that seems to be it's only weak point at the moment for most professional users.

Speak for yourself. For me, Gimp's major shortcomings are lack of proper colourspace management and inability to work on "16-bit" (per R,G,B) images (sure you can read 16-bit TIFFs, but the extra data is thrown away).

As a working photographer, these things give me the most pain. I'm sure there are other features (or lack thereof) which give other people pain apart from the lack of good CMYK support.

Not to say that CMYK doesn't deserve attention, just to note that it's not the Gimp's only weak point.
__
David Burren

Patrick
2002-10-30 02:12:16 UTC (almost 18 years ago)

Gimp and CMYK &DTP

On Tuesday 29 October 2002 17:46, David Burren wrote:

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:13:55 CDT, Patrick

wrote:

Hopefully a solution to the CMYK seperation problem will be forthcoming in a later version of Gimp, because that seems to be it's only weak point at the moment for most professional users.

Speak for yourself. For me, Gimp's major shortcomings are lack of proper colourspace management and inability to work on "16-bit" (per R,G,B) images (sure you can read 16-bit TIFFs, but the extra data is thrown away).

As a working photographer, these things give me the most pain. I'm sure there are other features (or lack thereof) which give other people pain apart from the lack of good CMYK support.

Not to say that CMYK doesn't deserve attention, just to note that it's not the Gimp's only weak point. __
David Burren

======================

Thanks David, I was pretty sure it had some other weak points too, but I am not familar with all of them yet. It seemed like CMYK was one that was complained about a lot, so I gathered it was one of the biggies everyone would like to have fixed. Gimp is always a work in progress and with the ability to program scripts and the work of the programmers it continues to grow and get better. Usually too there are workarounds for most all of it's shortcomings. For the cost, it is an excellent choice for doing any type of artwork, don't you think? ;o)

Patrick --- KMail v1.4.3 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206

Kevin Myers
2002-10-30 02:20:32 UTC (almost 18 years ago)

Gimp and CMYK &DTP

Let me add that the gimp is an extremely useful tool for a lot more than just artwork. I am using it for technical documents, aerial photos, and document archival applications... It has a few weak points in those areas too, but I'm working on some of 'em... :-)

s/KAM

----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp and CMYK &DTP

On Tuesday 29 October 2002 17:46, David Burren wrote:

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:13:55 CDT, Patrick

wrote:

Hopefully a solution to the CMYK seperation problem will be forthcoming in a later version of Gimp, because that seems to be it's only weak point at the moment for most professional users.

Speak for yourself. For me, Gimp's major shortcomings are lack of proper colourspace management and inability to work on "16-bit" (per R,G,B) images (sure you can read 16-bit TIFFs, but the extra data is thrown away).

As a working photographer, these things give me the most pain. I'm sure there are other features (or lack thereof) which give other people pain apart from the lack of good CMYK support.

Not to say that CMYK doesn't deserve attention, just to note that it's not the Gimp's only weak point. __
David Burren

======================

Thanks David, I was pretty sure it had some other weak points too, but I am not familar with all of them yet. It seemed like CMYK was one that was complained about a lot, so I gathered it was one of the biggies everyone would like to have fixed. Gimp is always a work in progress and with the ability to program scripts and the work of the programmers it continues to grow and get better. Usually too there are workarounds for most all of it's shortcomings. For the cost, it is an excellent choice for doing any type of artwork, don't you think? ;o)

Patrick --- KMail v1.4.3 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206

Will Muir
2002-10-30 02:50:38 UTC (almost 18 years ago)

Gimp and CMYK &DTP

First of let me say I think the GIMP is truly a great tool. But it does have some serious short comings for me. The lack of color management and at the least a cymy conversion utility really makes it hard for pre press work.

I have been reading the gimp devl news list and there are a few mentions of these features and a feature request for future versions. But I have not been able to find much to verify that there is any work is being done in this direction. Is there any plans to include these features in 1.4. Has any one using 1.3 seen these feature included? From what I gather the intention is that cmyk support will be in version 2.0, but how long is that going to take? In particular a color management feature would be great. The use of icm profiles is becoming more and more common everyday, and I feel that for a lot of people this is holding them back from dropping Photo Shop in favor of the GIMP. I did see a plug-in the other day for color management but it seemed to be in an early stage of development with no work being done on it for about two years. I tried to compile it under Debian but could not make it work. I am no programmer but I would be willing to help in this matter anyway that I can.

Just my .02$ Will
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Myers"
To: "gimp users"
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp and CMYK &DTP

Let me add that the gimp is an extremely useful tool for a lot more than just artwork. I am using it for technical documents, aerial photos, and document archival applications... It has a few weak points in those areas too, but I'm working on some of 'em... :-)

s/KAM

----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp and CMYK &DTP

On Tuesday 29 October 2002 17:46, David Burren wrote:

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 15:13:55 CDT, Patrick

wrote:

Hopefully a solution to the CMYK seperation problem will be forthcoming in a later version of Gimp, because that seems to be it's only weak point at the moment for most professional users.

Speak for yourself. For me, Gimp's major shortcomings are lack of proper colourspace management and inability to work on "16-bit" (per R,G,B) images (sure you can read 16-bit TIFFs, but the extra data is thrown away).

As a working photographer, these things give me the most pain. I'm sure there are other features (or lack thereof) which give other people pain apart from the lack of good CMYK support.

Not to say that CMYK doesn't deserve attention, just to note that it's not the Gimp's only weak point. __
David Burren

======================

Thanks David, I was pretty sure it had some other weak points too, but I am not familar with all of them yet. It seemed like CMYK was one that was complained about a lot, so I gathered it was one of the biggies everyone would like to have fixed. Gimp is always a work in progress and with the ability to program scripts and the work of the programmers it continues to grow and get better. Usually too there are workarounds for most all of it's shortcomings. For the cost, it is an excellent choice for doing any type of artwork, don't you think? ;o)

Patrick --- KMail v1.4.3 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206