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I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8 Matthew Miller 01 Feb 18:18
  I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8 Ville Sokk 01 Feb 18:55
   I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8 Matthew Miller 01 Feb 19:27
    I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8 Gary Aitken 01 Feb 22:02
  I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8 Steve Kinney 01 Feb 19:26
   I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8 scl 03 Feb 10:49
    I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8 Paul Read 03 Feb 11:56
     I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8 seadeer 28 Oct 18:12
      I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8 Kevin Cozens 28 Oct 20:08
    I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8 Liam R E Quin 03 Feb 16:33
Matthew Miller
2013-02-01 18:18:20 UTC (over 6 years ago)

I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8

sizes varying between about 5 and 50 pixels, with relatively high precision. The new dialog devotes the left 5% of the slider to this range. I know there was some talk about changing this slider to be logarithmic. Is there any progress on that?

Matthew Miller           mattdm@mattdm.org          
Ville Sokk
2013-02-01 18:55:55 UTC (over 6 years ago)

I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

sizes varying between about 5 and 50 pixels, with relatively high precision. The new dialog devotes the left 5% of the slider to this range. I know there was some talk about changing this slider to be logarithmic. Is there any progress on that?

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Matthew Miller mattdm@mattdm.org

I don't know if you noticed but the slider has a top and bottom part. The cursor changes when you hover. The top part is used for large changes and the bottom for fine tuning.

Steve Kinney
2013-02-01 19:26:41 UTC (over 6 years ago)

I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8

On 02/01/2013 01:18 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

sizes varying between about 5 and 50 pixels, with relatively high precision. The new dialog devotes the left 5% of the slider to this range. I know there was some talk about changing this slider to be logarithmic. Is there any progress on that?

I am still getting used to GIMP 2.8, but on my installation, the sliders have two adjustment modes via click and drag, depending on where in the slider one clicks: When an upward arrow shows, the slider drags like an old fashioned "button" looking one. When a two headed horizontal arrow shows, dragging the mouse moves the slider at about 10% the normal rate, for fine adjustment. This has not become at all "intuitive" for me yet, but I trust that "the marble will find the bottom of the bowl" in time.

In re adjusting brush diameter, I map the unassigned Alt+Scroll (mouse wheel) combination to "Brush size increase" and "Brush size decrease". Adjusting brush size on the fly without leaving the canvas is a wonderful thing. Picture worth thousand words:

http://pilobilus.net/img/mouse-scale-brush.jpg

I have also used this menu to map Ctrl+Alt+Shift plus Scroll up/down, to increase or decrease brush hardness. On my installation I found that the "more" version of this function works better than the regular one. With these brush siza and harness accelerators set, and the Paintbrush tool options dock open, I find that I rarely have to change brushes in the middle of a task.

The GIMP's factory default configuration can not be all things to all users, but the GIMP's configuration options more than make up for that. My "introduction to the GIMP" page is mostly about configuration options: It just got a little obsolete and I will be rewriting it shortly, but meanwhile:

http://pilobilus.net/gimp_tutorial.html

My configuration choices reflect habits acquired using much earlier versions of the GIMP, dating back to Tor Lillqvist's first Windows ports. A new or new-er user's mileage may vary a lot, but the way I set the GIMP up works for me.

:o)

Steve

Matthew Miller
2013-02-01 19:27:25 UTC (over 6 years ago)

I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8

On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 08:55:55PM +0200, Ville Sokk wrote:

The new dialog devotes the left 5% of the slider to this range. I know there was some talk about changing this slider to be logarithmic. Is there any progress on that?

I don't know if you noticed but the slider has a top and bottom part. The cursor changes when you hover. The top part is used for large changes and the bottom for fine tuning.

Yeah, but with it so small, I get "large changes" as effectively random numbers of 1.0, 7.24, 13.49, 19.73, 25.98, 32.22, 38.46, depending on which of those six pixels I hit. More often I'm getting 88 or 200 or 400 or something first. The fine tuning lets me adjust increments from there, but is only really useful if I hit the right number first, and it's hard to scale *down* because my mouse hits the right side of the screen. (Better if I don't maximize the window, but that's silly.) The best approach I've found is to use a brush with a native size of around 5, and then aways start by hitting the reset size button and adjusting up from there using the fine-tuning. That's pretty silly but is less frustrating than the alternative.

Matthew Miller           mattdm@mattdm.org          
Gary Aitken
2013-02-01 22:02:07 UTC (over 6 years ago)

I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8

On 02/01/13 12:27, Matthew Miller wrote:

On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 08:55:55PM +0200, Ville Sokk wrote:

The new dialog devotes the left 5% of the slider to this range. I know there was some talk about changing this slider to be logarithmic. Is there any progress on that?

I don't know if you noticed but the slider has a top and bottom part. The cursor changes when you hover. The top part is used for large changes and the bottom for fine tuning.

Yeah, but with it so small, I get "large changes" as effectively random numbers of 1.0, 7.24, 13.49, 19.73, 25.98, 32.22, 38.46, depending on which of those six pixels I hit. More often I'm getting 88 or 200 or 400 or something first. The fine tuning lets me adjust increments from there, but is only really useful if I hit the right number first, and it's hard to scale *down* because my mouse hits the right side of the screen. (Better if I don't maximize the window, but that's silly.) The best approach I've found is to use a brush with a native size of around 5, and then aways start by hitting the reset size button and adjusting up from there using the fine-tuning. That's pretty silly but is less frustrating than the alternative.

This is exactly why the enhancement I proposed some time ago would be helpful: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-December/msg00055.html

scl
2013-02-03 10:49:03 UTC (over 6 years ago)

I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8

On 01.02.13 at 8:26 PM Steve Kinney wrote:

On 02/01/2013 01:18 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

sizes varying between about 5 and 50 pixels, with relatively high precision. The new dialog devotes the left 5% of the slider to this range.

To set the brush size precisely you can also click the number in the slider three times and then enter a numeric value.

In re adjusting brush diameter, I map the unassigned Alt+Scroll (mouse wheel) combination to "Brush size increase" and "Brush size decrease". Adjusting brush size on the fly without leaving the canvas is a wonderful thing. Picture worth thousand words:

http://pilobilus.net/img/mouse-scale-brush.jpg [...] With these brush siza and harness accelerators set, and the Paintbrush tool options dock open, I find that I rarely have to change brushes in the middle of a task.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I also love adjusting the size on the fly with the middle mouse button and already wondered if this is something even more users would find useful if it worked out of the box. What do you - the users - think?

I have also used this menu to map Ctrl+Alt+Shift plus Scroll up/down, to increase or decrease brush hardness. On my installation I found that the "more" version of this function works better than the regular one.

This doesn't work on my Mac and Windows machines at all, neither with Pen, Paintbrush nor Airbrush. How exactly did you do this?

Kind regards,

Sven

Paul Read
2013-02-03 11:56:09 UTC (over 6 years ago)

I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8

">> It might >> also be useful to be able to set the max and min values (max in particular). >> I suspect there are very few people who want a brush size more than 1000 >> (but hey, I don't design billboards). > > I used to recompile my own gimp with a larger maximum brush size, > although I have not often used more than 400 pixels or so. > > Being able to set a maximum might help with "Fitt's Law" - quicker > selection of the largest size. "

This would be brilliant! I love the sliders very quick but I am typically using a brush sizes of 1,2,5,10,20 the sliders are basically useless to me.

Is there a way to set the max of the size slider? (and any other sliders for that matter)

Paul

On 3 February 2013 10:49, scl wrote:

On 01.02.13 at 8:26 PM Steve Kinney wrote:

On 02/01/2013 01:18 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:

sizes varying between about 5 and 50 pixels, with relatively high precision.
The new dialog devotes the left 5% of the slider to this range.

To set the brush size precisely you can also click the number in the

slider three times and then enter a numeric value.

In re adjusting brush diameter, I map the unassigned Alt+Scroll

(mouse wheel) combination to "Brush size increase" and "Brush size decrease". Adjusting brush size on the fly without leaving the canvas is a wonderful thing. Picture worth thousand words:

http://pilobilus.net/img/**mouse-scale-brush.jpg [...] With these brush siza and harness accelerators

set, and the Paintbrush tool options dock open, I find that I rarely have to change brushes in the middle of a task.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I also love adjusting the size on the fly with the middle mouse button and already wondered if this is something even more users would find useful if it worked out of the box. What do you - the users - think?

I have also used this menu to map Ctrl+Alt+Shift plus Scroll

up/down, to increase or decrease brush hardness. On my installation I found that the "more" version of this function works better than the regular one.

This doesn't work on my Mac and Windows machines at all, neither with Pen, Paintbrush nor Airbrush. How exactly did you do this?

Kind regards,

Sven

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Liam R E Quin
2013-02-03 16:33:30 UTC (over 6 years ago)

I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8

On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 11:49 +0100, scl wrote:

In re adjusting brush diameter, I map the unassigned Alt+Scroll (mouse wheel) combination to "Brush size increase" and "Brush size decrease". Adjusting brush size on the fly without leaving the canvas is a wonderful thing.

Intersting, { [ } ] do it by default I think. I also bind $ and 4 to soften and 5 and % to harden (so they change brish hardness more if you use shift) and 2 @ 3 # to brush size.

You can change the scroll wheel function in preferences too.

On brush size I do use sizes more than 400 sometimes, working with print resolutions as high as 2400dpi, most often with "dodge" or "burn".

Liam

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2013-10-28 18:12:26 UTC (almost 6 years ago)
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I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8

I completely agree! It would be great to be able to set the slider range for brush sizes, preferably with an option to set a number (e.g. 2, 5, 10, etc.) as a gradation of the scale.

Anna

">> It might >> also be useful to be able to set the max and min values
(max in particular). >> I suspect there are very few people who want a brush size more than 1000 >> (but hey, I don't design billboards). > > I
used to recompile my own gimp with a larger maximum brush size, > although
I have not often used more than 400 pixels or so. > > Being able to set a
maximum might help with "Fitt's Law" - quicker > selection of the largest
size. "

I am typically using a brush sizes of 1,2,5,10,20 the sliders are basically useless to me. Is there a way to set the max of the size slider? (and any other sliders for that matter)

Paul

Kevin Cozens
2013-10-28 20:08:16 UTC (almost 6 years ago)

I'm finding it hard to work with brush sizes in 2.8

I am typically using a brush sizes of 1,2,5,10,20 the sliders are basically useless to me. Is there a way to set the max of the size slider? (and any other sliders for that matter)

Paul

One of the brushes I most often need is a 1 pixel square brush. I use it to do fine touch up work on images. The 2.8.2 version of GIMP that is available for my distro appears to have an off-by-one error in the rectangle selection tool that meant the outside corner pixels were missing. I tried to create a 1 pixel brush to fix the corners but nothing I tried got me the 1x1 square brush. It kept coming up as 2x2 or larger.

The problem with creating the brush I needed and a problem with the text tool resulted in me compiling and locally installing GIMP 2.6 so I could do what I wanted to do with the image I was creating.

Cheers!

Kevin.

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