Carol Spears wrote:

i need a little help remembering what else GNOME has been helpful to GIMP with.

Shared booths at various trade fairs, AFAIK. For example at Linuxtag in Germany, and the upcoming SIGGRAPH. Maybe others know more examples, and also other benefits.

IMO we should have some hints about the relationship of GIMP, GTK+ and GNOME on www.gimp.org (or are there? I couldn't find anything).

HTH, Michael

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Carol Spears wrote:

Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:31:10 -0700 From: Carol Spears
To: David Neary ,
GIMPDev
Subject: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup

GNOME has been very generous with its cvs (now svn i hear) server and bugzilla for GIMP.

GNOME has also been very generous in its willingness to handle GIMP money.

i need a little help remembering what else GNOME has been helpful to GIMP with.

Translations?

(There are probably other things like librsvg which indirectly help but they are less clear cut examples.)

Carol Spears wrote:

On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 09:25:21PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote:

this is what i learned about how these booths are handled here in the San Francisco area. to be mailed about their existence and to know about where to get the literature and such, you must have been owen taylors girlfriend.

Hm... so if you want to be mailed about fairs, then I think you're on a mission.

i actually don't think that GIMP should work this way, if we still have a choice in the matter.

Well, it would get the community together - much closer than it is right now... But we'll need our own social networking site first, won't we? ;) (and this one could finally be mauve!)

how does one hear about shared booth space in other areas?

Seriously, I think this list would be the right place to coordinate the visits, especially the more pricy ones.

For starters, maybe someone wants to write a short summary about the fairs he or she did attend so far in order to represent GIMP or to do other gimpy stuff?

Michael

Carol,

On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 13:10 -0700, Carol Spears wrote:

this is what i learned about how these booths are handled here in the San Francisco area. to be mailed about their existence and to know about where to get the literature and such, you must have been owen taylors girlfriend.

Stop this now. We don't want this mailing-list to be a place where people can spread such filthy and completely unfounded rumours. And don't start to discuss this with me or even try to provide evidence. Even if it was a fact, it's offtopic and simply doesn't belong here.

Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.

Sven

On Wednesday 19 July 2006 02:35, Sven Neumann wrote:

Carol,

On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 13:10 -0700, Carol Spears wrote:

this is what i learned about how these booths are handled here in the San Francisco area. to be mailed about their existence and to know about where to get the literature and such, you must have been owen taylors girlfriend.

Stop this now. We don't want this mailing-list to be a place where people can spread such filthy and completely unfounded rumours. And don't start to discuss this with me or even try to provide evidence. Even if it was a fact, it's offtopic and simply doesn't belong here.

Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.

I guess I'm confused. Does Carol represent some threat that I haven't noticed in the year or so I have been watching this list? Does she have laser beams coming out of her frickin' eyes or something?

Isn't the old adage something akin to: "If you don't like it, don't look"? If you don't like her, hit delete. I just don't get the point otherwise. She may be a twit, I don't know. She seems nice enough to me.

On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 10:48:27AM -0700, Carol Spears wrote:

On Wed, Jul 19, 2006 at 08:35:40AM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote:

Carol,

On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 13:10 -0700, Carol Spears wrote:

this is what i learned about how these booths are handled here in the San Francisco area. to be mailed about their existence and to know about where to get the literature and such, you must have been owen taylors girlfriend.

Stop this now. We don't want this mailing-list to be a place where people can spread such filthy and completely unfounded rumours. And don't start to discuss this with me or even try to provide evidence. Even if it was a fact, it's offtopic and simply doesn't belong here.

Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.

let me get the information i asked for.

others have mentioned that this list is a good way to talk to the people who might be able to and interested in sharing a booth with gnome.

the process that one must go through to "qualify" is somewhat important, even if i or anyone else doesn't like those answers.

i also did not mention any filthy rumors. i was talking about what a friend told me about when she managed the GNOME booth here. what possibly could be filthy about that?

Carol,

As a gimp user of many years who has watched (put up with and hated) your periodic immature bursts of vitriol, I have come up with a few alternative explanations for your behavior (and possible work-arounds) -

1 - you're a paranoid schizoprenic (work-around - please make sure you've been taking your medicine for at least 10 days before you post to the list, or, better, take Sven's advice and "Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.") 2 - you're a lush (work around - please make sure you've been sober for at least 10 days before you post to the list, or, better, take Sven's advice and "Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.")
3 - You're an unpleasant person with no life who gets pleasure from insulting and demeaning people who (unlike you) are trying to get things done (work-around - get a life and take Sven's advice and "Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.")

Personally, I think it's (3) and I have no idea why you're still permitted to post with a "gimp.org" address and to have the "carol.gimp.org" DNS entry.

Just go away.

Brendan (mailinglist@endosquid.com) wrote:

On Wednesday 19 July 2006 02:35, Sven Neumann wrote:

On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 13:10 -0700, Carol Spears wrote:

this is what i learned about how these booths are handled here in the San Francisco area. to be mailed about their existence and to know about where to get the literature and such, you must have been owen taylors girlfriend.

Stop this now. We don't want this mailing-list to be a place where people can spread such filthy and completely unfounded rumours. And don't start to discuss this with me or even try to provide evidence. Even if it was a fact, it's offtopic and simply doesn't belong here.

Please unsubscribe yourself from all GIMP mailing-lists and leave us alone.

I guess I'm confused. Does Carol represent some threat that I haven't noticed in the year or so I have been watching this list? Does she have laser beams coming out of her frickin' eyes or something?

Well, we (as in "old gimp farts") are dealing with this kind of shit for at least four years now. If anybody of us would be able to understand what Carol is asking for then there would be no issue - we would answer her question and the issue would be no more.

Carol was basically a source of incomprehensible messages for four years now. It is getting on at least my nerves. Other people told me that they have left GIMP/Gimp-Web development because of her. That hurts, especially for a project with that few active developers as GIMP.

In the last few mails carol is indirectly suggesting that the organisation of the Siggraph stuff is somehow shady. We all want to "kill Wilber" - whatever that means and Gnome is evil anyway. She coerces Dave to respond to vague allegations about the GIMP-Gnome relationship, financing, how-to-become-a-volunteer-for-siggraph and whatever

I am sick of that kind of stuff. I am about to unsubscribe from gimp-developer because of that kind of stuff - reading gimp-developer is no fun anymore, because at any time you can hit a message that has a very confusing and frustrating content.

So yeah, Carol does represent some threat: Driving people away. This is a very real problem for the GIMP.

Bye, Simon

On Thursday, July 20, 2006, 3:02:52, Simon Budig wrote:

I am sick of that kind of stuff. I am about to unsubscribe from gimp-developer because of that kind of stuff - reading gimp-developer is no fun anymore, because at any time you can hit a message that has a very confusing and frustrating content.

You can always create a rule to delete her messages on server, before they even have the chance to reach your mailbox.

On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 12:43 +0200, jernej@ena.si wrote:

On Thursday, July 20, 2006, 3:02:52, Simon Budig wrote:

I am sick of that kind of stuff. I am about to unsubscribe from gimp-developer because of that kind of stuff - reading gimp-developer is no fun anymore, because at any time you can hit a message that has a very confusing and frustrating content.

You can always create a rule to delete her messages on server, before they even have the chance to reach your mailbox.

Except that this solution doesn't really fix the problem, which is that she's scaring people away from GIMP. The real solution is for her to follow Sven's suggestions and remove herself from the GIMP mailing lists, stop using her gimp.org email alias, and stop using GIMP's irc.

/ bratsche

On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 03:02:52AM +0200, Simon Budig wrote:

Well, we (as in "old gimp farts") are dealing with this kind of shit for at least four years now. If anybody of us would be able to understand what Carol is asking for then there would be no issue - we would answer her question and the issue would be no more.

Hey, I am a "new gimp fart" - just a user, and don't know why I am even subscribed to this devel list - but have seen the cryptic messages from Carol and found them somewhat entertaining, though.... cryptic. As a newcomer to a list, not knowing the history, one wonders at the obscure references to 'someone's girlfriend', etc. My suggestion would be that Carol either lay the cards on the table, giving a logical point-by-point list of her complaints, stated in language that even a newcomer like me could understand, or cease and desist.

Just 2 cents from a one-horse town.

Scott Swanson Pendroy, Montana

just tell the list (and me) how one gets on the GNOME contact list for these booth things and all of the things that have been suggested will at least seem like they have been accomplished.

The list doesn't care about those issues. Or rather, nobody seems to care but you.

personally, i don't like that Sven Neumann suggests that anything that Tim Ney did could be possibly interpreted as "filthy". it should not have gotten personal like that.

If one does not want a discussion to get personal, one does not mention somebody else's girlfriends.

i saw a bunch of photographs on planet gnome from guadec. they have since disappeared. it was what looked like some nice young men and the collection kindof looked like that old PROFIT collection of images i saw from miguel and nat from years ago. i am going to humbly suggest that these young men were pointing at the wrong place on their bodies, if this version of gimp/gnome/gtk+ developement and how it works is going to stay this way.

Not interesting, except in the "somewhat entertaining" sense exposed above by Scott Swanson. Otherwise, it seems a pointless rambling.

Speaking as a lurker, I think Sven Neumann's suggestion (to unsubscribe from the list) is on the right track.

Alex.

Hi,

Speaking as a lurker, I think Sven Neumann's suggestion (to unsubscribe from the list) is on the right track.

Yep, count me as another lurker who is interested in gimp development and not in pointless ramblings.

cheers,

On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 10:17 -0700, Carol Spears wrote:

Except that this solution doesn't really fix the problem, which is that she's scaring people away from GIMP. The real solution is for her to follow Sven's suggestions and remove herself from the GIMP mailing lists, stop using her gimp.org email alias, and stop using GIMP's irc.

just tell the list (and me) how one gets on the GNOME contact list for these booth things and all of the things that have been suggested will at least seem like they have been accomplished.

Since nobody has provided that information yet, consider these two possibilities:
1) Nobody here has that information and is either not concerned enough about it to get it or assumes that you're just as capable of getting it as anyone else is. I mean, this is the GIMP mailing list you're asking on, not a GNOME mailing list. Why do you expect everyone here to know more than you about contacting GNOME people regarding booths? 2) People have the information you desire, but don't want to give it to -you- in particular because having you call or email anyone on behalf of the GIMP community would be undesirable and might give the booth contact people a bad impression of the community and jeopardize the possibilities of getting booths in the future. Your past record of human relations makes this a very real possibility because you have horrible communication skills. Maybe you mean well, but you have to understand that it doesn't come across that way to the rest of us; this is not the first time people have pointed this out either, and you obviously have made no efforts to act more civil to people.

You'll probably respond to this email and give a 3) with some sort of stupid conspiracy theories in it, because you won't really consider those two possibilities. But once again, if you really are meaning well to GIMP then I would like to urge you to disassociate yourself from GIMP and its community. When you see everyone asking you to unsubscribe from the lists, that's not an invitation to keep pressing the same issue.. that really is an invitation to leave the community, because many people believe that you're doing it more harm than good.

thanks everyone for your time and opinions

Sadly, this appears to be your way of saying "fuck all of you, I'll stay here and ruin the GIMP community all I want".

/ bratsche

Bratsche said:

Since nobody has provided that information yet, consider these two possibilities:

Correction, I gave that information.

http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg11430.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg11432.html

Cheers, Dave.