Hello!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ringbat via gimp-user-list wrote:

Microsoft on screen keyboard doesn't seem to work using gimp. I use the keyboard with a mouse due to my disability. I am working on a Windows 7 platform using gimp 2.8. Any ideas where I can go to get advice or better still a workaround. I have tried at the on-screen keyboards , but I seem to get the same problem.

Have you tried any other program using the GTK+ toolkit by any chance? Do you have the same issue there?
Also what doesn't work exactly? The on-screen keyboard does not pop up when your cursor enter a text field? It pops up but it won't write into the field?

Jehan

Thanks for reading.

Ringbat

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Thanks Jehan for helping me out. To be honest, I'm not a developer, merely in newbe using gimp for a very short time. I didn't know about the GTK+ project. It looks very exciting, might not be a programmer I don't know how to use it.

With the Microsoft on-screen keyboard what appears not to be working on the simple modifier keys. For example I 't use control X. I have to use cut from the edit menu. The Microsoft on-screen keyboard so works with any text field, for example I can enter a file name, but when a save it I can't use CONTROL C to save it. I can't use shift all the ALT key to modify a selection.

I see you that there are a number of books referenced in the GTK + project documentation. Do you know if there are reputable by a non-programmer mind?

As you can imagine, to have to keep returning to the gimp menu for even simple tasks is rather exhausting, especially because I work the mouse with my nose.

Many thanks for listening.

Steve From: Jehan Pagès
To: Ringbat
Cc: "gimp-user-list@gnome.org"
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017, 3:43 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp 2.8

Hello!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ringbat via gimp-user-list wrote:

Microsoft on screen keyboard doesn't seem to work using gimp. I use the keyboard with a mouse due to my disability. I am working on a Windows 7 platform using gimp 2.8. Any ideas where I can go to get advice or better still a workaround. I have tried at the on-screen keyboards , but I seem to get the same problem.

Have you tried any other program using the GTK+ toolkit by any chance? Do you have the same issue there?
Also what doesn't work exactly? The on-screen keyboard does not pop up when your cursor enter a text field? It pops up but it won't write into the field?

Jehan

Thanks for reading.

Ringbat

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I gave it a test on my system (GIMP 2.8.22; Windows 10 64-bit, native 'Touch Keyboard' ) and witnessed the following:

- When a GUI control has the focus (e.g. text input box in any toolbox), everything works normally.

- When the main image canvas/window has the focus, only *character* keys seem to work; *navigation* keys (arrows, backspace) do not. Spacebar does not work either, and this one's kind of critical to have when actually performing text entry.

- For the Text tool specifically, its on-canvas toolbox elements work fine but general text entry has the above-mentioned problem (the lack of a responding Spacebar renders the OSK practically worthless here).

- Keyboard shortcuts work normally (e.g. Ctwl+W to close active window, P to switch to Paintbrush). However, only Ctrl and/or Shift based shortcuts work as the OSK does not feature an Alt key; you cannot, for example, move between image tabs/windows with their default mappings.

For a comparison, I tested the OSK in Inkscape and could not find any problems whatsoever, although the OSK does not include a row for Function keys (used to switch tools).

On an aside, I noticed that when selecting certain tools via keyboard (Perspective, Scale, Shear, etc.) they 'activate' (i.e. canvas overlay and settings dialog appears) immediately and the dialog receives focus (i.e. you cannot switch off the tool using keyboard). This does not happen when selecting tools via mouse -- is that a bug? It can be worked around quickly enough by cancelling the tool's dialogue but mind that the OSK does not include an Esc key.

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Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2017 7:43:27 PM
To: Ringbat
Cc: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp 2.8

Hello!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ringbat via gimp-user-list
 wrote:
> Microsoft on screen keyboard doesn't seem to work using gimp. I use the
> keyboard with a mouse due to my disability. I am working on a Windows 7
> platform using gimp 2.8. Any ideas where I can go to get advice or better
> still a workaround. I have tried at the on-screen keyboards , but I seem to
> get the same problem.

Have you tried any other program using the GTK+ toolkit by any chance?
Do you have the same issue there?
Also what doesn't work exactly? The on-screen keyboard does not pop up
when your cursor enter a text field? It pops up but it won't write
into the field?

Jehan

> Thanks for reading.
>
> Ringbat
>
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Hello Richard,

Thanks for your tests. I am using Windows 7 professional not 10. And gimp 2.8. 20. The OSK keyboard does have function keys, but you have to press FN key to review them. Also my space bar works when I enter a text field. The keyboard does have Esc key. In fact, it's the first key on my keyboard.

I have not tried taking the focus from the main canvas window. But I'm not sure how that will work.

I have tried one other virtual keyboard, but it seems the result is the same. If one of you guys can suggest a workaround which did not involve me in learning C basic or any other programming language, I would be very grateful. (Not meant as a sarcastic response).

Steve From: Richard
To: Jehan Pagès ; Ringbat
Cc: "gimp-user-list@gnome.org"
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017, 17:44 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp 2.8
#yiv2724570901 #yiv2724570901 -- P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv2724570901 I gave it a test on my system (GIMP 2.8.22; Windows 10 64-bit, native 'Touch Keyboard' ) and witnessed the following:

- When a GUI control has the focus (e.g. text input box in any toolbox), everything works normally.

- When the main image canvas/window has the focus, only *character* keys seem to work; *navigation* keys (arrows, backspace) do not.  Spacebar does not work either, and this one's kind of critical to have when actually performing text entry. - For the Text tool specifically, its on-canvas toolbox elements work fine but general text entry has the above-mentioned problem (the lack of a responding Spacebar renders the OSK practically worthless here). - Keyboard shortcuts work normally (e.g. Ctwl+W to close active window, P to switch to Paintbrush).  However, only Ctrl and/or Shift based shortcuts work as the OSK does not feature an Alt key; you cannot, for example, move between image tabs/windows with their default mappings. For a comparison, I tested the OSK in Inkscape and could not find any problems whatsoever, although the OSK does not include a row for Function keys (used to switch tools). On an aside, I noticed that when selecting certain tools via keyboard (Perspective, Scale, Shear, etc.) they 'activate' (i.e. canvas overlay and settings dialog appears) immediately and the dialog receives focus (i.e. you cannot switch off the tool using keyboard).  This does not happen when selecting tools via mouse -- is that a bug?  It can be worked around quickly enough by cancelling the tool's dialogue but mind that the OSK does not include an Esc key.

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Cc: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp 2.8 Hello!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ringbat via gimp-user-list wrote:

Microsoft on screen keyboard doesn't seem to work using gimp. I use the keyboard with a mouse due to my disability. I am working on a Windows 7 platform using gimp 2.8. Any ideas where I can go to get advice or better still a workaround. I have tried at the on-screen keyboards , but I seem to get the same problem.

Have you tried any other program using the GTK+ toolkit by any chance? Do you have the same issue there?
Also what doesn't work exactly? The on-screen keyboard does not pop up when your cursor enter a text field? It pops up but it won't write into the field?

Jehan

Thanks for reading.

Ringbat

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Hi!

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:06 PM, stephen burton wrote:

Thanks Jehan for helping me out. To be honest, I'm not a developer, merely in newbe using gimp for a very short time. I didn't know about the GTK+ project. It looks very exciting, might not be a programmer I don't know how to use it.

No problem, you don't have to be a developer to create with GIMP. ;-) I am not proposing you to "use" GTK+. GIMP uses GTK+, not you. I was just wondering if you also had other software which also use GTK+. But if you don't know, it's ok. Don't worry.

With the Microsoft on-screen keyboard what appears not to be working on the simple modifier keys. For example I 't use control X. I have to use cut from the edit menu. The Microsoft on-screen keyboard so works with any text field, for example I can enter a file name, but when a save it I can't use CONTROL C to save it. I can't use shift all the ALT key to modify a selection.

I'm not sure how you mean your explanations. Are you saying for instance that you want to use ctrl-x (with the on-screen keyboard) to cut, but you currently can't, and you have to go through the menu? And if so, why: doesn't the on-screen keyboard appear? Is it available, but clicking control-x does not cut anything? Some more details would be useful to understand the issues.

Usually the way to report bugs is doing step by step procedures, then end with the expected result and actual result. For instance, here is what it could be with the ctrl-x example (which may be wrong regarding your issue since I'm not sure I understand what you are saying).

Reproduction steps: 1/ Select part of an image.
2/ Hit ctrl + x in the on-screen keyboard

Expected result: the select piece of image should be cut. Actual result: nothing happens.

I see you that there are a number of books referenced in the GTK + project documentation. Do you know if there are reputable by a non-programmer mind?

No as I said above, you don't have to read books about GTK+. This is a code library for programmers to make usage of. Don't bother with this. I just wanted to know if other GTK+ program had the same issues you were experiencing. And if so, it would probably mean the problem lies in GTK+ code.

As you can imagine, to have to keep returning to the gimp menu for even simple tasks is rather exhausting, especially because I work the mouse with my nose.

I perfectly understand this. I hope we can find the reasons for your issue. Just explain step by step what happens on your screen as explained above. Assume that we don't know at all what you are seeing and what you are expecting (which is the actual case), especially since most of us don't have the need to use an on-screen keyboard as you do; and moreover most developers of GIMP don't even use Windows as a daily OS. So we don't really know what one who use Windows and an on-screen keyboard expects.

Many thanks for listening.

You are welcome.

Steve
________________________________
From: Jehan Pagès
To: Ringbat
Cc: "gimp-user-list@gnome.org"
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017, 3:43 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp 2.8

Hello!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ringbat via gimp-user-list wrote:

Microsoft on screen keyboard doesn't seem to work using gimp. I use the keyboard with a mouse due to my disability. I am working on a Windows 7 platform using gimp 2.8. Any ideas where I can go to get advice or better still a workaround. I have tried at the on-screen keyboards , but I seem to
get the same problem.

Have you tried any other program using the GTK+ toolkit by any chance? Do you have the same issue there?
Also what doesn't work exactly? The on-screen keyboard does not pop up when your cursor enter a text field? It pops up but it won't write into the field?

Jehan

Thanks for reading.

Ringbat

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Hello Jehan.

Thanks for your e-mail and again for your time to look at my problem. I hope I have fully answered your questions below, but if you need any more information please ask. I'm not sure how you mean your explanations. Are you saying for instance that you want to use ctrl-x (with the on-screen keyboard) to cut, but you currently can't, and you have to go through the menu?

When I press control-X nothing happens. As with any of the shortcut modifier keys, e.g. control, alt or shift when I use the Microsoft on-screen keyboard, so to carry out any procedure or action in gimp I have to use the gimp menu. Action:

Use Microsoft on-screen keyboard.

Press shortcut keys

Result nothing happens.

So every time I need to carry out a procedure in the gimp, such as, cut and paste a selection, or any other menu item requiring using shortcut keys, nothing happens, so to carry out any procedure or action in gimp I have to use the gimp menu. And if so, why: doesn't the on-screen keyboard appear? Is it available, but clicking control-x does not cut anything?Some more details would be useful to understand the issues.

The on-screen keyboard does appear. It is available throughout using gimp but as I said before, when I use control-X, it doesn't cut anything. Nothing happens and I have use the gimp menu interface to perform any action.

Reproduction steps: 1/ Select part of an image.
2/ Hit ctrl + x in the on-screen keyboard

Expected result: the select piece of image should be cut. Actual result: nothing happens.

Your above descriptive sequence is correct.

I perfectly understand this. I hope we can find the reasons for your issue.Just explain step by step what happens on your screen as explained above. Assume that we don't know at all what you are seeing and what you are expecting (which is the actual case), especially since most of us don't have the need to use an on-screen keyboard as you do; and moreover most developers of GIMP don't even use Windows as a daily OS.So we don't really know what one who use Windows and an on-screen keyboard expects.

Yes, I assume that am one of the few, if not the only gimp user working with the on-screen keyboard or a Windows 7 platform, so it is unlikely that this problem has ever risen to anybody 's notice before. In fact, I have only recently started using gimp myself. So as I explained, I am a complete newbe. However, it may be worth noting that although the gimp developers don't use Windows, I suspect the majority of gimp uses do.

Steve From: Jehan Pagès
To: stephen burton
Cc: "gimp-user-list@gnome.org"
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017, 23:20 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp 2.8
Hi!

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:06 PM, stephen burton wrote:

Thanks Jehan for helping me out. To be honest, I'm not a developer, merely in newbe using gimp for a very short time. I didn't know about the GTK+ project. It looks very exciting, might not be a programmer I don't know how to use it.

No problem, you don't have to be a developer to create with GIMP. ;-) I am not proposing you to "use" GTK+. GIMP uses GTK+, not you. I was just wondering if you also had other software which also use GTK+. But if you don't know, it's ok. Don't worry.

With the Microsoft on-screen keyboard what appears not to be working on the simple modifier keys. For example I 't use control X. I have to use cut from the edit menu. The Microsoft on-screen keyboard so works with any text field, for example I can enter a file name, but when a save it I can't use CONTROL C to save it. I can't use shift all the ALT key to modify a selection.

I'm not sure how you mean your explanations. Are you saying for instance that you want to use ctrl-x (with the on-screen keyboard) to cut, but you currently can't, and you have to go through the menu? And if so, why: doesn't the on-screen keyboard appear? Is it available, but clicking control-x does not cut anything? Some more details would be useful to understand the issues.

Usually the way to report bugs is doing step by step procedures, then end with the expected result and actual result. For instance, here is what it could be with the ctrl-x example (which may be wrong regarding your issue since I'm not sure I understand what you are saying).

Reproduction steps: 1/ Select part of an image.
2/ Hit ctrl + x in the on-screen keyboard

Expected result: the select piece of image should be cut. Actual result: nothing happens.

I see you that there are a number of books referenced in the GTK + project documentation. Do you know if there are reputable by a non-programmer mind?

No as I said above, you don't have to read books about GTK+. This is a code library for programmers to make usage of. Don't bother with this. I just wanted to know if other GTK+ program had the same issues you were experiencing. And if so, it would probably mean the problem lies in GTK+ code.

As you can imagine, to have to keep returning to the gimp menu for even simple tasks is rather exhausting, especially because I work the mouse with my nose.

I perfectly understand this. I hope we can find the reasons for your issue. Just explain step by step what happens on your screen as explained above. Assume that we don't know at all what you are seeing and what you are expecting (which is the actual case), especially since most of us don't have the need to use an on-screen keyboard as you do; and moreover most developers of GIMP don't even use Windows as a daily OS. So we don't really know what one who use Windows and an on-screen keyboard expects.

Many thanks for listening.

You are welcome.

Steve
________________________________
From: Jehan Pagès
To: Ringbat
Cc: "gimp-user-list@gnome.org"
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017, 3:43 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp 2.8

Hello!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ringbat via gimp-user-list wrote:

Microsoft on screen keyboard doesn't seem to work using gimp. I use the keyboard with a mouse due to my disability. I am working on a Windows 7 platform using gimp 2.8. Any ideas where I can go to get advice or better still a workaround. I have tried at the on-screen keyboards , but I seem to
get the same problem.

Have you tried any other program using the GTK+ toolkit by any chance? Do you have the same issue there?
Also what doesn't work exactly? The on-screen keyboard does not pop up when your cursor enter a text field? It pops up but it won't write into the field?

Jehan

Thanks for reading.

Ringbat

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Hi!

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:04 PM, stephen burton wrote:

Hello Jehan.

Thanks for your e-mail and again for your time to look at my problem. I hope I have fully answered your questions below, but if you need any more information please ask.
I'm not sure how you mean your explanations. Are you saying for instance that you want to use ctrl-x (with the on-screen keyboard) to cut, but you currently can't, and you have to go through the menu?

When I press control-X nothing happens. As with any of the shortcut modifier keys, e.g. control, alt or shift when I use the Microsoft on-screen keyboard, so to carry out any procedure or action in gimp I have to use the gimp menu.

Action:

Use Microsoft on-screen keyboard.

Press shortcut keys

Result nothing happens.

So every time I need to carry out a procedure in the gimp, such as, cut and paste a selection, or any other menu item requiring using shortcut keys, nothing happens, so to carry out any procedure or action in gimp I have to use the gimp menu.

And if so, why: doesn't the on-screen keyboard appear? Is it available, but clicking control-x does not cut anything?Some more details would be useful to understand the issues.

The on-screen keyboard does appear. It is available throughout using gimp but as I said before, when I use control-X, it doesn't cut anything. Nothing happens and I have use the gimp menu interface to perform any action.

Reproduction steps: 1/ Select part of an image.
2/ Hit ctrl + x in the on-screen keyboard

Expected result: the select piece of image should be cut. Actual result: nothing happens.

Your above descriptive sequence is correct.

I perfectly understand this. I hope we can find the reasons for your issue.Just explain step by step what happens on your screen as explained above. Assume that we don't know at all what you are seeing and what you are expecting (which is the actual case), especially since most of us don't have the need to use an on-screen keyboard as you do; and moreover most developers of GIMP don't even use Windows as a daily OS.So we don't really know what one who use Windows and an on-screen keyboard expects.

Yes, I assume that am one of the few, if not the only gimp user working with the on-screen keyboard or a Windows 7 platform, so it is unlikely that this problem has ever risen to anybody 's notice before. In fact, I have only recently started using gimp myself. So as I explained, I am a complete newbe. However, it may be worth noting that although the gimp developers don't use Windows, I suspect the majority of gimp uses do.

Ok. I understood well the issue now. I opened a bug report on our side:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790901 I can't ensure you this will be managed and fixed quickly. It depends on the schedule and priorities of the developers. It may happen today like it may take forever (sorry if that happens to be the case :-/). But at least now it is in the system so we won't forget. Hopefully someone will test soon.

By the way, how do you activate the on-screen keyboard in Windows? Regards,

Jehan

Steve

________________________________ From: Jehan Pagès
To: stephen burton
Cc: "gimp-user-list@gnome.org"
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017, 23:20

Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp 2.8

Hi!

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:06 PM, stephen burton wrote:

Thanks Jehan for helping me out. To be honest, I'm not a developer, merely in newbe using gimp for a very short time. I didn't know about the GTK+ project. It looks very exciting, might not be a programmer I don't know how
to use it.

No problem, you don't have to be a developer to create with GIMP. ;-) I am not proposing you to "use" GTK+. GIMP uses GTK+, not you. I was just wondering if you also had other software which also use GTK+. But if you don't know, it's ok. Don't worry.

With the Microsoft on-screen keyboard what appears not to be working on the
simple modifier keys. For example I 't use control X. I have to use cut from
the edit menu. The Microsoft on-screen keyboard so works with any text field, for example I can enter a file name, but when a save it I can't use CONTROL C to save it. I can't use shift all the ALT key to modify a selection.

I'm not sure how you mean your explanations. Are you saying for instance that you want to use ctrl-x (with the on-screen keyboard) to cut, but you currently can't, and you have to go through the menu? And if so, why: doesn't the on-screen keyboard appear? Is it available, but clicking control-x does not cut anything? Some more details would be useful to understand the issues.

Usually the way to report bugs is doing step by step procedures, then end with the expected result and actual result. For instance, here is what it could be with the ctrl-x example (which may be wrong regarding your issue since I'm not sure I understand what you are saying).

Reproduction steps: 1/ Select part of an image.
2/ Hit ctrl + x in the on-screen keyboard

Expected result: the select piece of image should be cut. Actual result: nothing happens.

I see you that there are a number of books referenced in the GTK + project documentation. Do you know if there are reputable by a non-programmer mind?

No as I said above, you don't have to read books about GTK+. This is a code library for programmers to make usage of. Don't bother with this. I just wanted to know if other GTK+ program had the same issues you were experiencing. And if so, it would probably mean the problem lies in GTK+ code.

As you can imagine, to have to keep returning to the gimp menu for even simple tasks is rather exhausting, especially because I work the mouse with
my nose.

I perfectly understand this. I hope we can find the reasons for your issue. Just explain step by step what happens on your screen as explained above. Assume that we don't know at all what you are seeing and what you are expecting (which is the actual case), especially since most of us don't have the need to use an on-screen keyboard as you do; and moreover most developers of GIMP don't even use Windows as a daily OS. So we don't really know what one who use Windows and an on-screen keyboard expects.

Many thanks for listening.

You are welcome.

Steve
________________________________
From: Jehan Pagès
To: Ringbat
Cc: "gimp-user-list@gnome.org"
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017, 3:43 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp
2.8

Hello!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ringbat via gimp-user-list wrote:

Microsoft on screen keyboard doesn't seem to work using gimp. I use the keyboard with a mouse due to my disability. I am working on a Windows 7 platform using gimp 2.8. Any ideas where I can go to get advice or better still a workaround. I have tried at the on-screen keyboards , but I seem to
get the same problem.

Have you tried any other program using the GTK+ toolkit by any chance? Do you have the same issue there?
Also what doesn't work exactly? The on-screen keyboard does not pop up when your cursor enter a text field? It pops up but it won't write into the field?

Jehan

Thanks for reading.

Ringbat

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Hi, the Microsoft on-screen keyboard can be accessed either through the start menu or control panel put under the ease of access program. As for how long it takes, I don't expect miracles. I can work as I am for now

Steve

From: Jehan Pagès To: stephen burton
Cc: "gimp-user-list@gnome.org"
Sent: Monday, 27 November 2017, 14:14 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp 2.8
Hi!

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:04 PM, stephen burton wrote:

Hello Jehan.

Thanks for your e-mail and again for your time to look at my problem. I hope I have fully answered your questions below, but if you need any more information please ask.
I'm not sure how you mean your explanations. Are you saying for instance that you want to use ctrl-x (with the on-screen keyboard) to cut, but you currently can't, and you have to go through the menu?

When I press control-X nothing happens. As with any of the shortcut modifier keys, e.g. control, alt or shift when I use the Microsoft on-screen keyboard, so to carry out any procedure or action in gimp I have to use the gimp menu.

Action:

Use Microsoft on-screen keyboard.

Press shortcut keys

Result nothing happens.

So every time I need to carry out a procedure in the gimp, such as, cut and paste a selection, or any other menu item requiring using shortcut keys, nothing happens, so to carry out any procedure or action in gimp I have to use the gimp menu.

And if so, why: doesn't the on-screen keyboard appear? Is it available, but clicking control-x does not cut anything?Some more details would be useful to understand the issues.

The on-screen keyboard does appear. It is available throughout using gimp but as I said before, when I use control-X, it doesn't cut anything. Nothing happens and I have use the gimp menu interface to perform any action.

Reproduction steps: 1/ Select part of an image.
2/ Hit ctrl + x in the on-screen keyboard

Expected result: the select piece of image should be cut. Actual result: nothing happens.

Your above descriptive sequence is correct.

I perfectly understand this. I hope we can find the reasons for your issue.Just explain step by step what happens on your screen as explained above. Assume that we don't know at all what you are seeing and what you are expecting (which is the actual case), especially since most of us don't have the need to use an on-screen keyboard as you do; and moreover most developers of GIMP don't even use Windows as a daily OS.So we don't really know what one who use Windows and an on-screen keyboard expects.

Yes, I assume that am one of the few, if not the only gimp user working with the on-screen keyboard or a Windows 7 platform, so it is unlikely that this problem has ever risen to anybody 's notice before. In fact, I have only recently started using gimp myself. So as I explained, I am a complete newbe. However, it may be worth noting that although the gimp developers don't use Windows, I suspect the majority of gimp uses do.

Ok. I understood well the issue now. I opened a bug report on our side:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790901 I can't ensure you this will be managed and fixed quickly. It depends on the schedule and priorities of the developers. It may happen today like it may take forever (sorry if that happens to be the case :-/). But at least now it is in the system so we won't forget. Hopefully someone will test soon.

By the way, how do you activate the on-screen keyboard in Windows? Regards,

Jehan

Steve

________________________________ From: Jehan Pagès
To: stephen burton
Cc: "gimp-user-list@gnome.org"
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017, 23:20

Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp 2.8

Hi!

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:06 PM, stephen burton wrote:

Thanks Jehan for helping me out. To be honest, I'm not a developer, merely in newbe using gimp for a very short time. I didn't know about the GTK+ project. It looks very exciting, might not be a programmer I don't know how
to use it.

No problem, you don't have to be a developer to create with GIMP. ;-) I am not proposing you to "use" GTK+. GIMP uses GTK+, not you. I was just wondering if you also had other software which also use GTK+. But if you don't know, it's ok. Don't worry.

With the Microsoft on-screen keyboard what appears not to be working on the
simple modifier keys. For example I 't use control X. I have to use cut from
the edit menu. The Microsoft on-screen keyboard so works with any text field, for example I can enter a file name, but when a save it I can't use CONTROL C to save it. I can't use shift all the ALT key to modify a selection.

I'm not sure how you mean your explanations. Are you saying for instance that you want to use ctrl-x (with the on-screen keyboard) to cut, but you currently can't, and you have to go through the menu? And if so, why: doesn't the on-screen keyboard appear? Is it available, but clicking control-x does not cut anything? Some more details would be useful to understand the issues.

Usually the way to report bugs is doing step by step procedures, then end with the expected result and actual result. For instance, here is what it could be with the ctrl-x example (which may be wrong regarding your issue since I'm not sure I understand what you are saying).

Reproduction steps: 1/ Select part of an image.
2/ Hit ctrl + x in the on-screen keyboard

Expected result: the select piece of image should be cut. Actual result: nothing happens.

I see you that there are a number of books referenced in the GTK + project documentation. Do you know if there are reputable by a non-programmer mind?

No as I said above, you don't have to read books about GTK+. This is a code library for programmers to make usage of. Don't bother with this. I just wanted to know if other GTK+ program had the same issues you were experiencing. And if so, it would probably mean the problem lies in GTK+ code.

As you can imagine, to have to keep returning to the gimp menu for even simple tasks is rather exhausting, especially because I work the mouse with
my nose.

I perfectly understand this. I hope we can find the reasons for your issue. Just explain step by step what happens on your screen as explained above. Assume that we don't know at all what you are seeing and what you are expecting (which is the actual case), especially since most of us don't have the need to use an on-screen keyboard as you do; and moreover most developers of GIMP don't even use Windows as a daily OS. So we don't really know what one who use Windows and an on-screen keyboard expects.

Many thanks for listening.

You are welcome.

Steve
________________________________
From: Jehan Pagès
To: Ringbat
Cc: "gimp-user-list@gnome.org"
Sent: Sunday, 26 November 2017, 3:43 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Microsoft on-screen keyboard doesn't work with gimp
2.8

Hello!

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Ringbat via gimp-user-list wrote:

Microsoft on screen keyboard doesn't seem to work using gimp. I use the keyboard with a mouse due to my disability. I am working on a Windows 7 platform using gimp 2.8. Any ideas where I can go to get advice or better still a workaround. I have tried at the on-screen keyboards , but I seem to
get the same problem.

Have you tried any other program using the GTK+ toolkit by any chance? Do you have the same issue there?
Also what doesn't work exactly? The on-screen keyboard does not pop up when your cursor enter a text field? It pops up but it won't write into the field?

Jehan

Thanks for reading.

Ringbat

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