Hi all,

I'm on Debian woody (testing), using gimp 2.0.6 with the enlightenment window manager (no GNOME/KDE) and have a few problems.

1. I can't take single window screenshots. Everything looks the same as with gimp 1.3. I click on "Acquire | Screenshot" and make sure that "a Single Window" is checked.

However, when I go to take the screenshot, the screenshot is of the entire screen, not just one window.

Single window screenshots have not worked for me since the day I upgraded to gimp 2.x.

What's going on? I can't believe that single window screenshots work for the rest of the world, but not for me.... :)

2. How do you move text? Once I lay down text onto an image, I can't seem to move it around in the image like I could with gimp1.2. It's almost like the text is not on the image, but I can see it on the image.

3. GNOME2 is ugly. And it's significantly slower than GNOME1.2. Is there any way to get the GNOME1 interface back?

Thanks! Pete

On Wed 22 Dec 04, 4:42 PM, Carol Spears said:

On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 06:30:05PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:

Hi all,

I'm on Debian woody (testing), using gimp 2.0.6 with the enlightenment window manager (no GNOME/KDE) and have a few problems.

first of all, testing is Debian sarge. it is worth it to upgrade.

Hrrrmm. Sorry. Right before posting, I had *just* sent an update to the Debian Jigdo HOWTO, and the last topic I wrote about was jigdo on Woody. I had Woody on the brain. :)

I run Debian testing. Sarge.

1. I can't take single window screenshots. Everything looks the same as with gimp 1.3. I click on "Acquire | Screenshot" and make sure that "a Single Window" is checked.

i guess this is some argument between gimp and enlightenment. i also guess that both of these are old as well.

Not really. Gimp, as I said above, is 2.0.6. Woody and sarge happen to have enlightenment packages with the same order versiontude.

I could try 2.2.x from Sid.

the quickest (also the dirtiest) way to fix all this:

1) apt-get remove gimp 2) change your debian sources. everywhere it says "woody" make it say "testing"
3) apt-get update
4) apt-get install gimp

then to undo it and keep everything on your computer the same continue with:
5) change the debian sources back so that it says woody 6) apt-get update

and some sort of ethical thing makes me need to note here that this is a terrible way to run your computer!

I would certainly agree with you! It IS a terrible way to mix and match packages. Apt-get pinning is a far superior way of doing this!

I'll try running twm and see if that works. I'm guessing that everyone knows how to talk to twm.

Thanks!
Pete

On Wed 22 Dec 04, 6:31 PM, Carol Spears said:

On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 08:11:39PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:

On Wed 22 Dec 04, 4:42 PM, Carol Spears said:

On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 06:30:05PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:

Hi all,

I'm on Debian woody (testing), using gimp 2.0.6 with the enlightenment window manager (no GNOME/KDE) and have a few problems.

first of all, testing is Debian sarge. it is worth it to upgrade.

Hrrrmm. Sorry. Right before posting, I had *just* sent an update to the Debian Jigdo HOWTO, and the last topic I wrote about was jigdo on Woody. I had Woody on the brain. :)

I run Debian testing. Sarge.

i am running sarge. iirc, it is fairly easy to build the new tarball on sarge. it has been fairly easy up until recently to build the cvs version and the lack of ease is not debians fault.

easy and fun, depending on how you define fun.

Coolness. I like fun. ;-)

Turns out that single window screenshots work on twm. Must be some kind of wierd interaction between enlightenment and gimp. So I'm going to guess that rebuilding from source isn't going work.

I don't see any bug reports under gimp or enlightenment on this issue. Wouldn't even know which package to file a bug report on. *sigh*.

Maybe I'll just switch window managers whenever I want to take a screenshot.

Kinda sucks to have to do that. But if I were on Windows facing the same conundrum, it would be kinda hard to switch explorer.exe with another GUI shell. Man, even when stuff goes wrong on GNU/Linux, there never seems to be any dead ends. I always seem to find a way around any problem... ;-)

Thanks! Pete

On Wed 22 Dec 04, 8:10 PM, Carol Spears said:

On Wed, Dec 22, 2004 at 09:51:53PM -0500, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:

Turns out that single window screenshots work on twm. Must be some kind of wierd interaction between enlightenment and gimp. So I'm going to guess that rebuilding from source isn't going work.

long ago, gimp got its screenshots via xwd. i have no idea if this is still the case, however, i wonder if xwd works on sarge enlightenment.

carol

Heh. Screenshots to standard out. Love it! :)

Turns out that xwd didn't work, HOWEVER, playing around with it revealed something really curious.

At first it just gave me a black thumbnail looking thing. I then switched over to the first virtual screen (I have 8 screens total) and it worked great. xwud and gimp both showed perfect single window screenshots.

I then did the same thing with gimp, and by Zeus, it worked.

So it appears that gimp and xwd screenshots work on the first virtual desktop. Doesn't work on any additional desktops (I think Enlightenment comes with 2 by default as shipped with Debian). Each virtual desktop has 2 "screens".

OK. Problem solved. Thank you very much for suggesting that. I don't think I would've found that if you hadn't made that suggestion. And it makes it perfectly clear what package deserves the bug report. :)

Now I'll just sit back and let Google index this thread for future generations. :) Thanks, Carol. You're awesome!

Pete

On Thu 23 Dec 04, 4:44 PM, GSR - FR said:

gwidion@mpc.com.br (2004-12-23 at 1055.42 -0200):

Maybe I'll just switch window managers whenever I want to take a screenshot.

Is not it faster and easier to take a screenshot of the whole sreen and crop the result?
You will have the screenshot loaded on the GIMP not on some dummy viewer after all.

I wonder how having to crop, specially if you want it pixel perfect, is faster.

GSR

Well, cropping is prolly much faster than killing the wm, editing .xinitrc, restarting the wm, etc. for a casual screenshot.

But you're right about the pixel perfect part. It would be *seriously* inconvenient getting it absolutely perfect.

Thankfully, the problem was solved! :-)

Pete

On Thu 23 Dec 04, 5:41 PM, GSR - FR said:

p@dirac.org (2004-12-23 at 1051.59 -0500):

I wonder how having to crop, specially if you want it pixel perfect, is faster.

Well, cropping is prolly much faster than killing the wm, editing .xinitrc, restarting the wm, etc. for a casual screenshot.

Tried E-ScreenShoot (an epplet)? E based app if what you want is casual screenshots.

GSR

Holy moley. I was only vaguely aware that enlightenment had epplets, but didn't know much about them.

What's really wierd is that the Debian epplet package is simply called "epplets", and anything to denote its relationship to enlightenment, like "enlightenment-epplets", so 'dpkg -l "*enlightenment*"' won't show its existence.

Worse, the enlightenment package neither recommends nor suggests epplets.

How wierd! Thanks for the suggestion!

Pete (waaaay off topic, so I'll just be quiet now) ;)