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Developer motivation and user interactions - Re: Bring back normal handling of other file formats

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Jon Nordby
2012-06-21 11:58:04 UTC (about 2 years ago)

Developer motivation and user interactions - Re: Bring back normal handling of other file formats

On 21 June 2012 12:59, Monty Montgomery wrote:

In fact it kills the motivation of developers who are putting sizable parts of their life into creating, maintaining and improving GIMP. When you kill motivation in volunteer-driven project, you are not just destroying someones hobby - the project will eventually stagnate, wither and die.

Oh for fuck's sake.

I was happy to hold my tongue until this.  The developers are *victims* of users being unhappy with a design decision?

Ok, that part of my post must not have come across the way I intended at all. At all.

My intent was to say that a volunteer project is driven mostly by the motivation of the contributors, and that the feedback from users can be a major driver in this. I believe that focusing on the things that can be improved is usually more beneficial to motivation than to get stuck in particular decisions that have been made (in the best of intents). It is great that people care, I just would like to see that energy have a more positive outlet.

I realize now that my statement above contributed negatively, not positively. I apologize for that. I should have just said: Please write a description of your typical workflow (as a whole) when making an argument. Then we can find the things that can be improved together. And hopefully someone will be motivated to pick that up.

Monty Montgomery
2012-06-21 12:18:34 UTC (about 2 years ago)

Developer motivation and user interactions - Re: Bring back normal handling of other file formats

My intent was to say that a volunteer project is driven mostly by the motivation of the contributors, and that the feedback from users can be a major driver in this.

Yes. I assume the developers have strong feedback from users who do like the change. Here, though, we're hearing from users who do not like the change.

I believe that focusing on the things that can be improved is usually more beneficial to motivation than to get stuck in particular decisions that have been made (in the best of intents).

The developers have stated in no uncertain terms that they're not changing their minds.

The problem begins with the further statement that everyone who disagrees with them is simply motivated by laziness and refusal to abandon 'bad habits'. As I said before... you're dripping arbitrary dogma on my workflow. Some users are in fact unhappy about that.

Please
write a description of your typical workflow (as a whole) when making an argument. Then we can find the things that can be improved together. And hopefully someone will be motivated to pick that up.

That's how the discussion started. The response was 'no one is forcing you to use the Gimp.'

So... this discussion either continues to no avail, dies with bad blood (as more than a few participants on both sides have dispensed with any lip service to diplomacy), or we fork. I don't see a fork over this being particularly productive, unless it's only used as a temporary ballot box.

Monty