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new interaction project starting... peter sikking 10 May 15:35
  new interaction project starting... peter sikking 14 May 14:21
   new interaction project starting... gfxuser 14 May 16:11
    new interaction project starting... Ragnar Brynjúlfsson 15 May 07:06
     new interaction project starting... Olivier 15 May 07:16
      new interaction project starting... Ragnar Brynjúlfsson 15 May 07:33
       new interaction project starting... gg 15 May 07:58
       new interaction project starting... dima 15 May 11:19
   new interaction project starting... Jon Nordby 15 May 20:27
    new interaction project starting... foser 15 May 21:00
   new interaction project starting... gfxuser 02 Jun 14:55
peter sikking
2012-05-10 15:35:15 UTC (about 2 years ago)

new interaction project starting...

hey guys,

hot on the heels of the first GIMP interaction internship, for which we presented the results at the lgm (blog posts coming), a second one is starting.

Marinus Schraal, from Holland, will be with us for the next 10 weeks.

his project subject will be picked by him in the next couple of days. if you see foser on irc, thats him. he will be happy to talk to you about it.

--ps

founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works

http://blog.mmiworks.net: on interaction architecture

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peter sikking
2012-05-14 14:21:48 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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I wrote:

Marinus Schraal, from Holland, will be with us for the next 10 weeks. his project subject will be picked by him in the next couple of days. if you see foser on irc, thats him. he will be happy to talk to you about it.

update:

Marinus had talks with you on irc in the last couple of days about possible topics.

this morning on irc we talked through the scope, size and impact of these possible topics.

then Marinus picked the topic for his project:

a specialised widget set for the tool options. these widgets can be more compact, more versatile for different layouts, faster and more precise to operate

but, this is of course tied to the direction the tool options should take in GIMP. and here we can use your input:

where can the tool options go? tell us about locations where the toll options can live (multiples allowed).

--ps

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http://blog.mmiworks.net: on interaction architecture

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gfxuser
2012-05-14 16:11:24 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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a specialised widget set for the tool options. these widgets can be more compact, more versatile for different layouts, faster and more precise to operate

but, this is of course tied to the direction the tool options should take in GIMP. and here we can use your input:

where can the tool options go? tell us about locations where the toll options can live (multiples allowed).

Hi Peter,

one idea: they could be invisible and appear on right mouse click, pen click, a keystroke, a gesture or combination of them. For instance: right mouse click lets the (context) menu appear (as it already does),
Shift + right mouse click: open tools palette at the mouse pointers position, with three buttons at the center: Undo, Redo, Options. The other tools would be arranged circular around it: recently used tools are closer to the center, seldomly used tools in the outer regions. Ctrl+right mouse click: open current tools options at the mouse pointers position
Which had two advantages: because it's invisible, it doesn't eat space. But it's always there when you need it and where you are (at the mouse/pen pointer).

Just a short brainstorm...

Best regards,

grafxuser

Ragnar Brynjúlfsson
2012-05-15 07:06:20 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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Hi,

A very nice feature for people who use Gimp for drawing (like me) would be to have brush size adjustable by simply holding a key and dragging the mouse/pen anywhere on the canvas. This would then grow or shrink the brush, and you could judge the size from the outline of the brush as your drag. It's a quick and accurate way of adjusting the brush size used. You can see this feature in Blender (go to UV Editing, create New image in the left panel, and hold F and drag to adjust the brush size).

The same could be applied to opacity, but is most useful for brush sizes.

Cheers,

Ragnar

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM, gfxuser wrote:

a specialised widget set for the tool options. these widgets can be more compact, more versatile for different layouts, faster and more precise to operate

but, this is of course tied to the direction the tool options should take in GIMP. and here we can use your input:

where can the tool options go? tell us about locations where the toll options can live (multiples allowed).

Hi Peter,

one idea: they could be invisible and appear on right mouse click, pen click, a keystroke, a gesture or combination of them. For instance: right mouse click lets the (context) menu appear (as it already does),
Shift + right mouse click: open tools palette at the mouse pointers position, with three buttons at the center: Undo, Redo, Options. The other tools would be arranged circular around it: recently used tools are closer to the center, seldomly used tools in the outer regions. Ctrl+right mouse click: open current tools options at the mouse pointers position
Which had two advantages: because it's invisible, it doesn't eat space. But it's always there when you need it and where you are (at the mouse/pen pointer).

Just a short brainstorm...

Best regards,

grafxuser

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Olivier
2012-05-15 07:16:09 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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2012/5/15 Ragnar Brynjlfsson :

Hi,

A very nice feature for people who use Gimp for drawing (like me) would be to have brush size adjustable by simply holding a key and dragging the mouse/pen anywhere on the canvas. This would then grow or shrink the brush, and you could judge the size from the outline of the brush as your drag. It's a quick and accurate way of adjusting the brush size used. You can see this feature in Blender (go to UV Editing, create New image in the left panel, and hold F and drag to adjust the brush size).

The same could be applied to opacity, but is most useful for brush sizes.

Do you know of the [ ] shortcuts for changing brush size, and < > for changing opacity? They don't even need you to move your mouse!

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Ragnar Brynjúlfsson
2012-05-15 07:33:05 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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Yes, I know of those, and they're nice to have too, but sometimes it's quicker to just press a key and drag, especially if making big changes to the brush size. Admittedly, it's really a detail, and probably comes down to personal preference. :)

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Olivier wrote:

2012/5/15 Ragnar Brynjlfsson :

Hi,

A very nice feature for people who use Gimp for drawing (like me) would be to have brush size adjustable by simply holding a key and dragging the mouse/pen anywhere on the canvas. This would then grow or shrink the brush, and you could judge the size from the outline of the brush as your drag. It's a quick and accurate way of adjusting the brush size used. You can see this feature in Blender (go to UV Editing, create New image in the left panel, and hold F and drag to adjust the brush size).

The same could be applied to opacity, but is most useful for brush sizes.

Do you know of the [ ] shortcuts for changing brush size, and < > for changing opacity? They don't even need you to move your mouse!

-- Olivier Lecarme

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gg
2012-05-15 07:58:42 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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On 05/15/12 09:33, Ragnar Brynjlfsson wrote:

Yes, I know of those, and they're nice to have too, but sometimes it's quicker to just press a key and drag, especially if making big changes to the brush size. Admittedly, it's really a detail, and probably comes down to personal preference.:)

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Olivier wrote:

2012/5/15 Ragnar Brynjlfsson:

Hi,

A very nice feature for people who use Gimp for drawing (like me)

please don't top post, put comments below the on going discussion.

thx

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dima
2012-05-15 11:19:31 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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On 05/15/12 10:33, Ragnar Brynjlfsson wrote:

Yes, I know of those, and they're nice to have too, but sometimes it's quicker to just press a key and drag, especially if making big changes to the brush size. Admittedly, it's really a detail, and probably comes down to personal preference.

One good source of inspiration could be blender. They've done it like this: pressing "f" and moving the cursor modifies the size of brush, while "F" modifies in the same way the strength ( in sculpting mode)

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Jon Nordby
2012-05-15 20:27:26 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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On 14 May 2012 07:21, peter sikking wrote:

I wrote:

Marinus Schraal, from Holland, will be with us for the next 10 weeks. his project subject will be picked by him in the next couple of days. if you see ‘foser’ on irc, that’s him. he will be happy to talk to you about it.

Thats great!

update:

Marinus had talks with you on irc in the last couple of days about possible topics.

this morning on irc we talked through the scope, size and impact of these possible topics.

then Marinus picked the topic for his project:

A small suggestion on work-flow: Ask Marinus to subscribe to the mailing list and to post the question he has himself here. This makes the interaction between the designers doing the work and the rest of the project more direct, which I believe is the best. As discussed in Vienna...

foser
2012-05-15 21:00:46 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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On di, 2012-05-15 at 13:27 -0700, Jon Nordby wrote:

A small suggestion on work-flow: Ask Marinus to subscribe to the mailing list and to post the question he has himself here. This makes the interaction between the designers doing the work and the rest of the project more direct, which I believe is the best. As discussed in Vienna...

Hey, I've been lurking on the ml and irc since a few days. I will post here when it's needed, no worries.

- foser

gfxuser
2012-06-02 14:55:50 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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peter sikking wrote:

where can the tool options go? tell us about locations where the toll options can live (multiples allowed).

Hi,

here are two other ideas:

1. Place them in the context menu: New structure of the right click context menu: Tool options
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File
Select
...

for instance, if the current tool is the brush: "Brush options" or the like the Tool options tab with 'Status and Text' style Choosing this menu item will show the well-known tool options dialog at the mouse cursor.

2. Double-click Simply double click on the tool icon in the toolbox will show the tool options dialog - this already happens. But if the tool options dialog is closed, it will be opened somewhere out of the users sight. New proposal: on doubleclick open the tool options dialog floating and located at the mouse cursor, if it isn't already visible.

Best regards,

grafxuser