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An introduction, and a simple patch

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An introduction, and a simple patch Adonay Felipe Nogueira 07 Jun 18:45
  An introduction, and a simple patch Adonay Felipe Nogueira 07 Jun 18:50
   An introduction, and a simple patch Adonay Felipe Nogueira 07 Jun 18:53
    An introduction, and a simple patch Pat David 07 Jun 19:14
    An introduction, and a simple patch Alexandre Prokoudine 07 Jun 19:22
     An introduction, and a simple patch Adonay Felipe Nogueira 07 Jun 20:38
      An introduction, and a simple patch William Mckee 07 Jun 20:45
       An introduction, and a simple patch Pat David 07 Jun 20:59
Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2016-06-07 18:45:41 UTC (almost 8 years ago)

An introduction, and a simple patch

Hi, I'm a free/libre software activist since 2015, I'm from Brazil, and I've been studying the movement since 2011.

I'm not a developer, but I have made a simple patch for the website.

The commit message explains it all.

Respectfully, Adonay.

Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2016-06-07 18:50:55 UTC (almost 8 years ago)

An introduction, and a simple patch

Hm... It seems my patch wasn't sent.

Trying now.

Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2016-06-07 18:53:06 UTC (almost 8 years ago)

An introduction, and a simple patch

From 5c2acc61fd4ec216acc5868c160f5b7088c7d4d4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:12:52 -0300 Subject: [PATCH] Fixed confusing term, according to: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html

--- themes/newgimp/templates/home.html | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/themes/newgimp/templates/home.html b/themes/newgimp/templates/home.html index 4e71b62..0a73a87 100644
--- a/themes/newgimp/templates/home.html +++ b/themes/newgimp/templates/home.html @@ -57,7 +57,7 @@



- The Free & Open Source Image Editor + The Free/Libre & Open Source Image Editor

This is the official website of the GNU Image Manipulation Program (GIMP).

1.9.1
Pat David
2016-06-07 19:14:26 UTC (almost 8 years ago)

An introduction, and a simple patch

Thank you Adonay! :) We're having a look and reviewing it now!

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:53 PM Adonay Felipe Nogueira < adfeno@openmailbox.org> wrote:

From 5c2acc61fd4ec216acc5868c160f5b7088c7d4d4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:12:52 -0300 Subject: [PATCH] Fixed confusing term, according to: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html

--- themes/newgimp/templates/home.html | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/themes/newgimp/templates/home.html b/themes/newgimp/templates/home.html index 4e71b62..0a73a87 100644
--- a/themes/newgimp/templates/home.html +++ b/themes/newgimp/templates/home.html @@ -57,7 +57,7 @@



- The Free & Open Source Image Editor + The Free/Libre & Open Source Image Editor

This is the official website of the GNU Image Manipulation Program
(GIMP).
--
1.9.1

_______________________________________________ gimp-web-list mailing list
gimp-web-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-web-list

Pat David
https://pixls.us
http://blog.patdavid.net
Alexandre Prokoudine
2016-06-07 19:22:58 UTC (almost 8 years ago)

An introduction, and a simple patch

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:

Subject: [PATCH] Fixed confusing term, according to: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html

Not. Another. GNU. Link. Please.

"Free/Libre" makes "Open Source" redundant.

"Libre" is hard to understand to the uninitiated. Moreover, the text below specifically links to both the definition of free software and the gplv3+ distribution guide.

What is the actual issue, Adonay?

Alex

Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2016-06-07 20:38:02 UTC (almost 8 years ago)

An introduction, and a simple patch

According to:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html

"Free/Libre" doesn't make "Open Source" redundant. FOSS can cause confusion, although most people believe it's a neutral term. FLOSS doesn't cause confusion, and is a neutral term.

FOSS can cause confusion because it can mean one of the following:

a) "Free" is about gratis.

b) "Open source" is the same as "free".

There is other possibility besides what was suggested in this patch: To use "Free/Libre Software" and remove "Free & Open Source Software"

Besides, being a free software project, it doesn't need to describe itself as "open source" just to be understood by the public, it can advertise itself by what it can really guarantee: respect for society's essential freedoms[1]. Besides, the open source development model left out from the free software movement in 1998[2], and since then, their proponents have been spreading confusion[3][4][5].

The most famous speakers from the free software movement (not just RMS, many others) also don't like to be addressed as "open source" proponents.

GNU projects also don't describe themselves as "open source". I have seen a past bug report for GIMP on this, but I can't find the reference, but it's in the bug tracker.

REFERENCES

[1] http://media.libreplanet.org/u/libby/m/mako/

[2] http://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html (section: "Open Source")

[3] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html

[4] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/compromise.html

[5] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/applying-free-sw-criteria.html

William Mckee
2016-06-07 20:45:44 UTC (almost 8 years ago)

An introduction, and a simple patch

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 8:38 AM, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote:

According to:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html

"Free/Libre" doesn't make "Open Source" redundant. FOSS can cause confusion, although most people believe it's a neutral term. FLOSS doesn't cause confusion, and is a neutral term.

FOSS can cause confusion because it can mean one of the following:

a) "Free" is about gratis.

b) "Open source" is the same as "free".

There is other possibility besides what was suggested in this patch: To use "Free/Libre Software" and remove "Free & Open Source Software"

Free and Open Source Software sounds much better then Free/Libre Software.

Free in some peoples mind can be free to use but not freedom. I think the open source term helps people understand that they can get the source code.

Freedom Software haha.

Cheers,

William.

Pat David
2016-06-07 20:59:55 UTC (almost 8 years ago)

An introduction, and a simple patch

Adonay,

Thank you very much for your patch!

After consideration, we are not going to merge this patch. As Alexandre pointed out we specifically address the definition of Free Software as well as the GPLv3+ in the text immediately after that title. We are doing our best to balance clear wording aimed at our audience.

We are well aware of the gnu links and the what they say. Thank you for the links, though.

Pat

Pat David
https://pixls.us
http://blog.patdavid.net