Hi,

the answer is: never, because not GIMP is bound in no way to X11, but to the GTK. A stable GTK is unfortunately for Apples OS X only for an X11 backend available right now. But may be you can help the GTK project to finish their work on a native backend for OS X and help this to free GIMP from the X11 slavery on Apple OS X.

Thank you for listening.

lexA

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:13:30 +0000 Von: Orlando Figueiredo
An: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU CC:
Betreff: [Gimp-user] X11

Cheers
When will GIMP (Mac version) release itself from X11? Orlando Figueiredo
_______________________
of1967@gmail.com
www.OrlandoFigueiredo.com

On 2/21/07, Orlando Figueiredo wrote:

Thanks for helping me
The problem is that I am not a computer expert just a Mac user that can not copy images from another program to GIMP. But yes... I will be glad in helping the GTK project. I just do not know how.

Orlando Figueiredo _______________________
of1967@gmail.com
www.OrlandoFigueiredo.com

On Feb 21, 2007, at 8:05AM, Axel Wernicke wrote:

Hi,

the answer is: never, because not GIMP is bound in no way to X11, but to the GTK. A stable GTK is unfortunately for Apples OS X only for an X11 backend available right now. But may be you can help the GTK project to finish their work on a native backend for OS X and help this to free GIMP from the X11 slavery on Apple OS X.

Thank you for listening.

lexA

X11.app is a bit cumbersome, and only available on the Mac install CD. That being said, it's better than nothing at this point.

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[Orlando Figueiredo @ Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:51:06 +0000]

No doubt that X11 is better then nothing. But GIMP deserves better then X11. Don't you think so?
Thanks for helping me.

Well... Not meant to be offending, but what on earth are you talking about? :)

Cheers,
Kris

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On 2/21/07, Orlando Figueiredo wrote:

No doubt that X11 is better then nothing. But GIMP deserves better then X11. Don't you think so?
Thanks for helping me.

I don't really see what the problem is with using X11.app (other than GIMP for Mac is a version or two behind).

Hi Orlando,

please don't get me wrong here. That the GIMP developer will "never" free GIMP from X11 on OS X is not caused by they (we) are not willing to do so, but simply by the fact that there is no direct connection between GIMP and X11 on the technical view.

May be I can althtough encourage you to give GIMP a chance on OS X (as I do day by day). Concerning the "getting images into" issue: You can D'n'D image files to the dock to open them and (IIRC) you can also transfer them using the clipboard. Please note, that you need to press Command-C to transfer to the clipboard, but Ctrl-V (!) to retrieve it on the (ugly) X11 side.

Don't hesitate to ask further questions anyways.

Greetings, lexA

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:16:25 +0000 Von: Orlando Figueiredo
An: "Axel Wernicke"
CC: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU Betreff: Re: [Gimp-user] X11

Thanks for helping me
The problem is that I am not a computer expert just a Mac user that can not copy images from another program to GIMP. But yes... I will be glad in helping the GTK project. I just do not know how.

Orlando Figueiredo _______________________
of1967@gmail.com
www.OrlandoFigueiredo.com

On Feb 21, 2007, at 8:05AM, Axel Wernicke wrote:

Hi,

the answer is: never, because not GIMP is bound in no way to X11, but to the GTK. A stable GTK is unfortunately for Apples OS X only for an X11 backend available right now. But may be you can help the GTK project to finish their work on a native backend for OS X and help this to free GIMP from the X11 slavery on Apple OS X.

Thank you for listening.

lexA

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:13:30 +0000 Von: Orlando Figueiredo
An: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU CC:
Betreff: [Gimp-user] X11

Cheers
When will GIMP (Mac version) release itself from X11? Orlando Figueiredo
_______________________
of1967@gmail.com
www.OrlandoFigueiredo.com

I would hate anyone to think that you can't use GIMP on Mac/X11... I do it every day without significant problems.

It's a linux-like environment so it feels slightly different. That's all. No sweat.

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 11:52 +0100, Axel Wernicke wrote:

Hi Orlando,

please don't get me wrong here. That the GIMP developer will "never" free GIMP from X11 on OS X is not caused by they (we) are not willing to do so, but simply by the fact that there is no direct connection between GIMP and X11 on the technical view.

May be I can althtough encourage you to give GIMP a chance on OS X (as I do day by day). Concerning the "getting images into" issue: You can D'n'D image files to the dock to open them and (IIRC) you can also transfer them using the clipboard. Please note, that you need to press Command-C to transfer to the clipboard, but Ctrl-V (!) to retrieve it on the (ugly) X11 side.

Don't hesitate to ask further questions anyways.

Greetings, lexA

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:16:25 +0000 Von: Orlando Figueiredo
An: "Axel Wernicke"
CC: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU Betreff: Re: [Gimp-user] X11

Thanks for helping me
The problem is that I am not a computer expert just a Mac user that can not copy images from another program to GIMP. But yes... I will be glad in helping the GTK project. I just do not know how.

Orlando Figueiredo _______________________
of1967@gmail.com
www.OrlandoFigueiredo.com

On Feb 21, 2007, at 8:05AM, Axel Wernicke wrote:

Hi,

the answer is: never, because not GIMP is bound in no way to X11, but to the GTK. A stable GTK is unfortunately for Apples OS X only for an X11 backend available right now. But may be you can help the GTK project to finish their work on a native backend for OS X and help this to free GIMP from the X11 slavery on Apple OS X.

Thank you for listening.

lexA

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:13:30 +0000 Von: Orlando Figueiredo
An: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU CC:
Betreff: [Gimp-user] X11

Cheers
When will GIMP (Mac version) release itself from X11? Orlando Figueiredo
_______________________
of1967@gmail.com
www.OrlandoFigueiredo.com

Welcome to the Mac World Orlando.

No yellow cursor problem for you?

I am having the problem in spite of the fix offered up on this website:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060316124704289

I'm having the same problem as another individual on that page which I relate there if you care to look.

Best of luck,

Kirk On Feb 21, 2007, at 7:11 AM, Orlando Figueiredo wrote:

Hi Alex
I am not getting you wrong. Don't worry. I apologize if I gave you that idea. I am a new Mac user... as many today I got tired of Microsoft crashes and computer slowing and allowing from MacAfee and all that crap. As and I do not have time to go to Linux because, as I told you, I am not a computer expert so I Turn into OS X and I am loving it.
When I was a slave of Bill Gates I was trying to free myself and allways used OpenSource Applications like OOo and GIMP. Now that I am on the Mac side I am finding it very pleasant. I found that OS X is a much pleasant OS then MS Windows. The only time that it crashed was when I was installing MS Messenger (I wonder why). I installed NeoOffice which is OOo free from X11. When I installed GIMP I had to face X11. As I told you I am a newbie to OS X and Gimp over X11 was not a very nice experience. And I got a little bit disapointed. You know MS Windows GIMP version works in the same shell as any other program. So I thought if OOo get free of X11 that was causing a few problems with copy/paste and bla bla bla... why not release Gimp too. So I decided to ask to someone who know better then me on this. I use Gimp for photography. In MS Windows I used it to make some photographic art (I hope) and I intend to keep doing it in Mac. I am a portuguese physics and chemistry teacher and an educational researcher who likes to take photos and work them in good free image manipulating software. I don't know if it is technically possible but if it is I will leave my appeal to all Gimp community... lets free Gimp from X11. Meanwhile I will use and love it as I always did. You can find some of my photographic work (made with GIMP - cropping, color etc... etc...etc...) on http://www.1000imagens.com/orlandofigueiredo/ or in http://www.olhares.com/of1967/. Just don't expect too much. I am just an amateur.
It is nice to chat with you and thanks for answering me, thanks for helping me and thanks from your contribute to develop Gimp - even in X11 ;).
Keep in touch
Orlando Figueiredo
_______________________
of1967@gmail.com
www.OrlandoFigueiredo.com

On Feb 21, 2007, at 10:52AM, Axel Wernicke wrote:

Hi Orlando,

please don't get me wrong here. That the GIMP developer will "never" free GIMP from X11 on OS X is not caused by they (we) are not willing to do so, but simply by the fact that there is no direct connection between GIMP and X11 on the technical view.

May be I can althtough encourage you to give GIMP a chance on OS X (as I do day by day). Concerning the "getting images into" issue: You can D'n'D image files to the dock to open them and (IIRC) you can also transfer them using the clipboard. Please note, that you need to press Command-C to transfer to the clipboard, but Ctrl-V (!) to retrieve it on the (ugly) X11 side.

Don't hesitate to ask further questions anyways.

Greetings, lexA

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:16:25 +0000 Von: Orlando Figueiredo
An: "Axel Wernicke"
CC: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU Betreff: Re: [Gimp-user] X11

Thanks for helping me
The problem is that I am not a computer expert just a Mac user that can not copy images from another program to GIMP. But yes... I will be glad in helping the GTK project. I just do not know how.

Orlando Figueiredo _______________________
of1967@gmail.com
www.OrlandoFigueiredo.com

On Feb 21, 2007, at 8:05AM, Axel Wernicke wrote:

Hi,

the answer is: never, because not GIMP is bound in no way to X11, but to the GTK. A stable GTK is unfortunately for Apples OS X only for an X11 backend available right now. But may be you can help the GTK project to finish their work on a native backend for OS X and help this to free GIMP from the X11 slavery on Apple OS X.

Thank you for listening.

lexA

-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:13:30 +0000 Von: Orlando Figueiredo
An: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU CC:
Betreff: [Gimp-user] X11

Cheers
When will GIMP (Mac version) release itself from X11? Orlando Figueiredo
_______________________
of1967@gmail.com
www.OrlandoFigueiredo.com

Hi,

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 11:19 -0500, Kirk Tirakian wrote:

No yellow cursor problem for you?

I am having the problem in spite of the fix offered up on this website:

Disabling "Fancy Cursors" in the Preferences should work around the problem. Have you tried that?

Sven

I did not try that and having now done so can say it works!!!

Thanks for the tip.

Kirk On Feb 22, 2007, at 6:01 PM, Sven Neumann wrote:

Hi,

On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 11:19 -0500, Kirk Tirakian wrote:

No yellow cursor problem for you?

I am having the problem in spite of the fix offered up on this website:

Disabling "Fancy Cursors" in the Preferences should work around the problem. Have you tried that?

Sven