Can't see what it looks like, on that page.

I thought the gay flag was, like a rainbow, with a bunch of colored bands? You could make a brush.

Circulate it on the web, and see if people adopt it! Be sure to include an image of what it looks like, though.

Dora

-----Original Message----- From: darxus@chaosreigns.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 9:56 PM
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases of gimp?

http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Gay-flag.ggr

I just made it, based on the colors from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT_movement) I'm pretty confident it's perfect.

It isn't just gay pride week fever.

http://time.com/3938935/white-house-rainbow-gay-marriage-decision/

:)

Dora

-----Original Message----- From: darxus@chaosreigns.com
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 9:56 PM
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases of gimp?

http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Gay-flag.ggr

I just made it, based on the colors from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT_movement) I'm pretty confident it's perfect.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 5:56 AM, wrote:

http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Gay-flag.ggr

I just made it, based on the colors from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT_movement) I'm pretty confident it's perfect.

I suppose you got the RGB values for the colors from the proper source. (I did not see them on the Wikipedia page, is there a reference?)

The name in the .ggr file for the gradient is 'Gay flag'. Perhaps it should be 'Rainbow flag' or 'LGBT flag'? Other than that, it's fine.

Simos

Thanks, darxus.

I have a suggestion, though. People really want to celebrate events this week, which maybe not by coincidence coincides with Gay Pride Week, and not in a couple of years when the new edition of GIMP comes out. You can make any GIMP add-on and circulate it on line, and see if it catches on.

Send me your script privately, and tell me how to use it, and I'll try it out myself. I feel like celebrating. It's been one of those our entire culture shifts completely in one week weeks.

By the way, Darxus, I know one doesn't normally do this, but I'm so sure you did NOT mean to discuss this only with me, especially as you specifically addressed yourself to someone else, that I'm posting it back to the list. I'm not the only one who thinks gradients grade, and I'm not who you wanted to tell they can use gradients to make their gay flag. This list is set up so you have to reply all to reply to the list, and that is so unusual I fail to do it half of the time.

Dora

-----Original Message----- From: darxus@chaosreigns.com
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 9:45 AM To: Dora Smith
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases of gimp?

There are a couple flag gradients included with gimp, I think one of them was French. Gradients can have hard edges between them. I assure you this gradient does exactly the thing you'd want. With a click and a drag you have a gay flag over your image.

On 06/27, Dora Smith wrote:

The gay flag has morphed into a flag with horizontal colored bars, sometimes with another symbol or the 50 starts in the upper left quarter.

The problem with gradients is that colors blend into each other, so it wouldn't be clear that it is a gay flag. Depending of course on what creative use you might be using it for.

I'd suggest a stamp.

Or maybe it would be clearer if you post a link to an image of what you have created.

The gay flag itself is very easy to copy. Split your image into six horizontal sections, and color them red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and lavender or purple. It's based on the gay version of the rainbow version of Barack Obama's campaign symbol in 2008.

Dora

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Subject: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases of gimp?

http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Gay-flag.ggr

I just made it, based on the colors from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT_movement) I'm pretty confident it's perfect.
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On 06/27/2015 04:56 AM, darxus@chaosreigns.com wrote:

Hi darxus,

http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Gay-flag.ggr

I just made it, based on the colors from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT_movement)

we've discussed the best name for the gradient - 'gay flag' as such seems to be imprecise.

I think using the names as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_symbols#Flag_gallery is a good choice - and thus we could use Rainbow flag.

I'm pretty confident it's perfect.

The color of the left and right end point of the red stripe are slightly different - is this intended?

Overall, the colors you have used are different to the HTML notation used on the Wikipedia page - it uses color keywords. They are also different to the colors of the six-color flag shown there.

I'm not sure if exact matches matter, but still would be curious how you did get the colors you've used.

Adding that flag gradient:

If we add the flag gradient for the symbol it represents, we might want to consider to add gradients for a few other flags from the gallery linked previously, and use the names provided there.

In regard to including gradients at all:

We've had a few gradients for national flags in releases in the past (French, German, Mexican, Romanian). They do still exist in our code repository, but have been marked as obsolete: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/data/gradients/Makefile.am?h=gimp-2-8#n78

In general, we have reduced the number of resources that come with GIMP by default. Adding some resources that have a meaning beyond their mere technical use is interesting to some people, of course.

Adding any of them has the potential to generate a lot of discussion - I'm fine with that for any gradients resembling any of the flags linked in the aforementioned gallery, but also a bit less frilled about some of the discussion that might happen around some religious, political or national flags.

From a more technical point of few, figuring out the best and fastest way how to use the possible gradients to create some flags in GIMP - in particular if the pattern isn't pales or fesses - is an interesting challenge.

Regards,
Michael
GPG: 96A8 B38A 728A 577D 724D 60E5 F855 53EC B36D 4CDD

I tried it. It works beautifully.

What specific changes would I make to make the green and the blue lighter, and to make the color less intense and/or more translucent?

I want to put June 2015 and a few images on top of it.

I see one row for each bar, I guess.. but no idea what the numbers mean.

Looks like the first column must tell it how to divide the colors.

One more thing; How do I make fat letters in GIMP? It seems to just use the regular fonts that aren't fat. PSP fonts, you could put different colors on the outlines and the insides of the letters. I'd settle for fat letters.

Dora

-----Original Message----- From: darxus@chaosreigns.com
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 10:43 AM To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases of gimp?

On 06/27, Dora Smith wrote:

Thanks, darxus.

I have a suggestion, though. People really want to celebrate events this week, which maybe not by coincidence coincides with Gay Pride Week, and not in a couple of years when the new edition of GIMP comes out. You can make any GIMP add-on and circulate it on line, and see if it catches on.

Send me your script privately, and tell me how to use it, and I'll try it out myself. I feel like celebrating. It's been one of those our entire culture shifts completely in one week weeks.

Everything there is to it is in the link I initially provided: http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Gay-flag.ggr (identical to http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Rainbow-flag.ggr )

To use it, look up how to use gradient files with gimp. You put the file in the gradients directory in you gimp folder (which in my case works out to the file being /home/darxus/.gimp-2.6/gradients/Gay-flag.ggr ), then click on the gradient tool, then select the gradient. Then click and drag across your image.

By the way, Darxus, I know one doesn't normally do this, but I'm so sure you did NOT mean to discuss this only with me, especially as you specifically addressed yourself to someone else, that I'm posting it back to the list. I'm not the only one who thinks gradients grade, and I'm not who you wanted to tell they can use gradients to make their gay flag. This list is set up so you have to reply all to reply to the list, and that is so unusual I fail to do it half of the time.

I'm confused about why you believe this, but I'm confident that I did what I meant to do, and I'm fine with your forwarding it to the list.

I've almost got it figured out.

GIMP Gradient Name: Dora Gay flag
6
0.000000 0.083333 0.166667 1.000000 0.315000 0.315000 1.000000 1.000000 0.315000 0.315000 1.000000 0 0 0 0
0.166667 0.250000 0.333333 1.000000 0.501961 0.000000 1.000000 1.000000 0.501961 0.000000 1.000000 0 0 0 0
0.333333 0.416667 0.500000 1.000000 1.000000 0.000000 1.000000 1.000000 1.000000 0.000000 1.000000 0 0 0 0
0.500000 0.583333 0.666667 0.000000 0.474510 0.250980 1.000000 0.000000 0.474510 0.250980 1.000000 0 0 0 0
0.666667 0.750000 0.833333 0.250980 0.250980 1.000000 1.000000 0.250980 0.250980 1.000000 1.000000 0 0 0 0
0.833333 0.916667 1.000000 0.627451 0.000000 0.752941 1.000000 0.627451 0.000000 0.752941 1.000000 0 0 0 0

Third row is how many segments. If an example has 2 segments it is 2; if an example has 18 segments it is 18. This one has 6 segments so it is 6.

First three columns are left point, right (end point), and point where the gradient changes - and if the blended colors are close where it is doesn't matter.
Next are the left color in RGB decimal. Following is a number that I don't know what it represents, and probably it is maximum at 1.000000. Following is the rgb code for the right color, then the number that I don't know what it means.
Following that are four 0's I understand noone knows what they mean but leave them alone.

Now, I can't get the gradient editor to work, but I did get it and the foreground color picker to help me select numbers.

There are two numbered scales, such that the maximum is 100. One is blackness, "V", and it controls how dark the color is. The other is the saturation; it controls how intense my color is. It goes from 0 to 100.

Somehow at one point I got the opacity slider to display; not sure how I managed it, but it controlled the opacity number and nothing else.

Now, in the gradient editor, I get the position at wherever my mouse is at, the rgb color, HSV, and luminance and opacity. HSV is 0.0 some number between 1 and 100 100.0 Luminance is some number between 0 and 100.

It seems that everything changes together, except opacity and blackness, which change separately.

If I carefully keep the black control all the way down and change the saturation, both the luminance and the middle number in HSV change.

I don't see anything that goes from 0 to 1.000 that affects luminosity, saturation, or anything that controls how light or intense the color is.

So say I want RGB color 1.0, .307, .307, with the middle HSV number 69.4, and luminance 45.1; and in the foreground color picker this is Hue 0, saturation 85, V=100 (0 blackness), RGB = 255 38 38, and the HTML notation is ff2626. What number do I want to put after the RGB colors where 1.000 is now?

Feel free to point me to anything that explains it that is written in English and won't take more than fifteen minutes for someone who got this far to figure out, and also if there is a chart or, better, tool somewhere that will just tell me what numbers to use for the colors and saturation I want.

If I wanted to change the opacity, would that be changed IN the gradient, or would it be changed with how one applies the gradient?

Thanks!

Yours, Dora Smith

-----Original Message----- From: Michael Schumacher
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 10:21 AM To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases of gimp?

On 06/27/2015 04:56 AM, darxus@chaosreigns.com wrote:

Hi darxus,

http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Gay-flag.ggr

I just made it, based on the colors from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT_movement)

we've discussed the best name for the gradient - 'gay flag' as such seems to be imprecise.

I think using the names as in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_symbols#Flag_gallery is a good choice - and thus we could use Rainbow flag.

I'm pretty confident it's perfect.

The color of the left and right end point of the red stripe are slightly different - is this intended?

Overall, the colors you have used are different to the HTML notation used on the Wikipedia page - it uses color keywords. They are also different to the colors of the six-color flag shown there.

I'm not sure if exact matches matter, but still would be curious how you did get the colors you've used.

Adding that flag gradient:

If we add the flag gradient for the symbol it represents, we might want to consider to add gradients for a few other flags from the gallery linked previously, and use the names provided there.

In regard to including gradients at all:

We've had a few gradients for national flags in releases in the past (French, German, Mexican, Romanian). They do still exist in our code repository, but have been marked as obsolete: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/data/gradients/Makefile.am?h=gimp-2-8#n78

In general, we have reduced the number of resources that come with GIMP by default. Adding some resources that have a meaning beyond their mere technical use is interesting to some people, of course.

Adding any of them has the potential to generate a lot of discussion - I'm fine with that for any gradients resembling any of the flags linked in the aforementioned gallery, but also a bit less frilled about some of the discussion that might happen around some religious, political or national flags.

From a more technical point of few, figuring out the best and fastest way how to use the possible gradients to create some flags in GIMP - in particular if the pattern isn't pales or fesses - is an interesting challenge.

Regards,
Michael
GPG: 96A8 B38A 728A 577D 724D 60E5 F855 53EC B36D 4CDD

On 06/27/2015 05:12 PM, Dora Smith wrote:

This list is set up so you have to reply all to reply to the list, and that is so unusual I fail to do it half of the time.

The lists do not change the Reply-To header. This is because some people consider this to be harmful: http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

There is an opposing site, of course - their original article is no longer online, but someone has created an overview with a local copy of the opposing articles at at
http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/listreplyto.html

That aside, there are ways to handle this:

Reply All

As you have mentioned, there is Reply All in some mail clients.

However, some people do not want to get copies of relies per private mail, so a good practice is to remove anything but the list address from the resulting mail before sending, unless you want the original author to get a copy of the mail (for example if you know that they are not subscribed to the mailing list).

List-Reply

The best possible way is to use a mail client that can identify and handle mailing lists and make replying to list mail easy.

Some mail clients, like mutt, can be told what mail addresses are mailing lists, and if properly configured, if offers list replies: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-3.html#lists

Other mail clients make use of the mailing list mail headers filed as defined in RFC 2369, and user the information contained there to offer a list reply.

For example, any message sent via the gimp-user mailing list will contain the following mail headers:

List-Id: GIMP User List List-Unsubscribe: ,

List-Archive:
List-Post:
List-Help:
List-Subscribe: ,

One mail client that offers list reply to the List-Post address is Mozilla Thunderbird, via the Smart Reply button.

P.S. the List-Id header is a great way to filter for list message, e.g. to have them in their own folder.

Regards,
Michael
GPG: 96A8 B38A 728A 577D 724D 60E5 F855 53EC B36D 4CDD

On 06/27/2015 12:27 PM, Dora Smith wrote:

What specific changes would I make to make the green and the blue lighter, and to make the color less intense and/or more translucent?

That can be done by putting the gradient on a layer of its own and adjusting the opacity of that layer.

http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-dialogs-structure.html#gimp-layer-dialog

One more thing; How do I make fat letters in GIMP? It seems to just use the regular fonts that aren't fat. PSP fonts, you could put different colors on the outlines and the insides of the letters. I'd settle for fat letters.

Several possible solutions:

1) Add more fonts to your system fonts directory, or the /fonts directory of your user account's GIMP folders. Tons are availalble online, some commercial users have to pay close attention to copyright issues when using "free download" fonts but that probably ain't you. :D

2) Quick & Dirty method: Duplicate your text layer, right click on the duplicate layer in the Layers dialog, and select Discard Text Information. Right click again and select Alpha to Selection. Back on the canvas (image window), go to the menu item Select > Grow Selection and tell it how much "fatter" you want your letters, in pixels. Finally, drag and drop to fill the selection with the color of your letters.

3) Outline the letters by using the Stroke Path command in the Paths dialog. I use this a lot, for instance to put a dark, contrasting outline around letters that appear "over" image content, to make the text more readable.

a. With the Text tool activated, click your text to select it.

b. Right-click the text layer to get the context menu, select Text to Path. This will create a vector path outline of the text.

c. Create a new empty layer, put it UNDER your text layer, make sure it is selected as the 'current' layer.

d. In the Paths dialog, make sure your new path is selected and use the Stroke Path button. Set the width, corner style, etc. as required in the dialog box that opens.

http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-path-dialog.html

Try not to call the resulting images "memes." A meme is a contagious idea, which itself is an important and well studied idea about the mechanisms that spread of information from brain to brain. The usage where meme = "a picture with words added" cane out of 4chan, which any oldfag can tell you was never any good.

:D

Steve

I figured it out. Thanks! Only the 3 color values had to be changed - twice. Everything else was left alone.

Dora

-----Original Message----- From: Simos Xenitellis
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 9:50 AM To: darxus@chaosreigns.com
Cc: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Can this gay flag gradient be added to releases ofgimp?

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 5:56 AM, wrote:

http://www.chaosreigns.com/code/dl/Gay-flag.ggr

I just made it, based on the colors from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT_movement) I'm pretty confident it's perfect.

I suppose you got the RGB values for the colors from the proper source. (I did not see them on the Wikipedia page, is there a reference?)

The name in the .ggr file for the gradient is 'Gay flag'. Perhaps it should be 'Rainbow flag' or 'LGBT flag'? Other than that, it's fine.

Simos

On 08/13/2015 11:40 PM, darxus@chaosreigns.com wrote:

What needs to be done for this to be included?

Basically, the next stable version of GIMP, 2.10, has to be finished and then released.

Releases of 2.8.x doe not get new features r resources.

What you could do is to provide the gradient(s) on e.g. Deviantart.

Regards,
Michael
GPG: 96A8 B38A 728A 577D 724D 60E5 F855 53EC B36D 4CDD