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Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;) Chris Mohler 09 May 21:14
  Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;) Michael Natterer 09 May 22:35
SNT111-W292B98E76B4FCF551F6... 10 May 15:42
  Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;) Richard Gitschlag 10 May 15:41
   Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;) Patrick Shanahan 10 May 16:19
    Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;) Richard Gitschlag 11 May 04:32
     Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;) Johan Vromans 11 May 07:43
     Reply via List Headers [was: Re: Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ; )] Michael Schumacher 11 May 13:39
      Reply via List Headers [was: Re: Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ; )] Jay Smith 11 May 13:43
       Reply via List Headers Michael Schumacher 11 May 13:50
       Reply via List Headers [was: Re: Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ; )] Kevin Cozens 11 May 15:17
Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;) Kevin Brubeck Unhammer 11 May 07:37
  Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;) Richard Gitschlag 11 May 15:00
Chris Mohler
2012-05-09 21:14:25 UTC (over 2 years ago)

Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;)

Hi,

To quickly outline today's workflow:

The final output I need is a TIFF with 1-bit indexing, and the source is a JPEG.

In detail:

1. Open JPEG with GIMP 2. Do some masking, etc.
3. Save as XCF
4. Some more masking, tweaking, etc. 5. Save
6. Flatten, convert to 1-bit indexed 7. Export TIFF
8. Close image

On 8, I get the warning about discarding changes - which of course I ignore to keep the info saved in step 5. I need to keep the XCF in either color or greyscale with extra layers/paths/etc but I also need to produce a flattened 1-bit image before exporting as TIFF. So I'm going to see (and ignore) the warning with this sort of project. I guess I could do a 'Save As' and name it something like 'myproject_flat.xcf' after step 6, but it would be a useless file - I would never need it.

I'm not arguing either for or against the 2.8 behavior - just pointing out at least one use case that has (seemingly) slipped through the specification.

Thoughts? No flame wars please :)

Chris

Michael Natterer
2012-05-09 22:35:17 UTC (over 2 years ago)

Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;)

On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 16:14 -0500, Chris Mohler wrote:

Hi,

To quickly outline today's workflow:

The final output I need is a TIFF with 1-bit indexing, and the source is a JPEG.

In detail:

1. Open JPEG with GIMP 2. Do some masking, etc.
3. Save as XCF
4. Some more masking, tweaking, etc. 5. Save
6. Flatten, convert to 1-bit indexed 7. Export TIFF
8. Close image

On 8, I get the warning about discarding changes - which of course I ignore to keep the info saved in step 5. I need to keep the XCF in either color or greyscale with extra layers/paths/etc but I also need to produce a flattened 1-bit image before exporting as TIFF. So I'm going to see (and ignore) the warning with this sort of project. I guess I could do a 'Save As' and name it something like 'myproject_flat.xcf' after step 6, but it would be a useless file - I would never need it.

I'm not arguing either for or against the 2.8 behavior - just pointing out at least one use case that has (seemingly) slipped through the specification.

Thoughts? No flame wars please :)

We will mention in the warning dialog that the image has been exported.

See https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675399

Regards, --mitch

Richard Gitschlag
2012-05-10 15:41:38 UTC (over 2 years ago)

Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;)

(Damn it, why doesn't this mailing list have a proper reply-to address?)

From: strata_ranger@hotmail.com To: cr33dog@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [Gimp-user] Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 08:19:21 -0700

I have personally encountered this type of case a number of times myself -- when an image is 'dirty' (unsaved changes), exporting to another format does NOT reset the image state back to 'clean' again, even if there was no data to be lost with the chosen file format. As a result, GIMP asks if you wish to save any changes (in XCF) when you quit.

This is annoying and a minor hindrance to non-XCF workflows. In your case specifically, it also poses a very real risk of losing a lot of potential XCF data when you exit. But I am not sure it can be necessarily fixed.

-- Stratadrake strata_ranger@hotmail.com
--------------------
Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth.

Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:14:25 -0500 From: cr33dog@gmail.com
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: [Gimp-user] Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;)

Hi,

To quickly outline today's workflow:

The final output I need is a TIFF with 1-bit indexing, and the source is a JPEG.

In detail:

1. Open JPEG with GIMP 2. Do some masking, etc.
3. Save as XCF
4. Some more masking, tweaking, etc. 5. Save
6. Flatten, convert to 1-bit indexed 7. Export TIFF
8. Close image

On 8, I get the warning about discarding changes - which of course I ignore to keep the info saved in step 5. I need to keep the XCF in either color or greyscale with extra layers/paths/etc but I also need to produce a flattened 1-bit image before exporting as TIFF. So I'm going to see (and ignore) the warning with this sort of project. I guess I could do a 'Save As' and name it something like 'myproject_flat.xcf' after step 6, but it would be a useless file - I would never need it.

I'm not arguing either for or against the 2.8 behavior - just pointing out at least one use case that has (seemingly) slipped through the specification.

Thoughts? No flame wars please :)

Chris _______________________________________________ gimp-user-list mailing list
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Patrick Shanahan
2012-05-10 16:19:51 UTC (over 2 years ago)

Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;)

* Richard Gitschlag [05-10-12 11:44]:

(Damn it, why doesn't this mailing list have a proper reply-to address?)

It does. Why cannot you trim your posts?

Richard Gitschlag
2012-05-11 04:32:54 UTC (over 2 years ago)

Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;)

Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:19:51 -0400 From: ptilopteri@gmail.com
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;)

* Richard Gitschlag [05-10-12 11:44]:

(Damn it, why doesn't this mailing list have a proper reply-to address?)

It does....
--

Then the real question is why every time I hit Reply, Hotmail prefills my form with the individual user's email instead of the mailing list's, and I have to change it every time before hitting Send. GIMP or otherwise, minor impediments like these are quite annoying.

-- Stratadrake strata_ranger@hotmail.com
--------------------
Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth.

Kevin Brubeck Unhammer
2012-05-11 07:37:20 UTC (over 2 years ago)

Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;)

Richard Gitschlag writes:

Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:19:51 -0400 From: ptilopteri@gmail.com
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;)

* Richard Gitschlag [05-10-12 11:44]:

(Damn it, why doesn't this mailing list have a proper reply-to address?)

It does....
--

Then the real question is why every time I hit Reply, Hotmail prefills my form with the individual user's email instead of the mailing list's, and I have to change it every time before hitting Send. GIMP or otherwise, minor impediments like these are quite annoying.

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html is the long answer.

TL;DR version: the group reply address is already in the email headers, your email client should give you a function to use that or the author reply address at your choice – if it doesn't, that's a bug in the client. Mailing lists that do change headers are providing bug compatibility (some people think that's a good thing, I guess).

If Hotmail doesn't have a reply-to-group function as well as reply-to-author, I guess you could hit reply-to-all? Or get a better email client ;-)

best regards, Kevin

Johan Vromans
2012-05-11 07:43:23 UTC (over 2 years ago)

Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;)

After a couple of days working with 2.8, I must say that I don't have any problems with the Save / Export changes. I edited a bunch of JPGs and also worked on XCFs. It feels quite natural that Save means the GIMP native format, while everything else is Export.

Good job!

-- Johan

Michael Schumacher
2012-05-11 13:39:02 UTC (over 2 years ago)

Reply via List Headers [was: Re: Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ; )]

Von: Richard Gitschlag

Then the real question is why every time I hit Reply, Hotmail prefills my form with the individual user's email instead of the mailing list's, and I have to change it every time before hitting Send. GIMP or otherwise, minor impediments like these are quite annoying.

That probably happens because Hotmail doesn't handle the List headers that are part of each message, e.g.:

List-Id: GIMP Developer List List-Unsubscribe: ,
List-Archive:
List-Post:
List-Help:
List-Subscribe: ,

It should be rather easy for Hotmail's developers with their near limitless resources to implement a List Reply feature (or make Reply behave differently for list mails, although this may break other users' expectations). Additional features like links to the archive, unsubscribe or subscribe would be possible as well.

HTH, Michael

Jay Smith
2012-05-11 13:43:56 UTC (over 2 years ago)

Reply via List Headers [was: Re: Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ; )]

On 05/11/2012 09:39 AM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Von: Richard Gitschlag

Then the real question is why every time I hit Reply, Hotmail prefills my form with the individual user's email instead of the mailing list's, and I have to change it every time before hitting Send. GIMP or otherwise, minor impediments like these are quite annoying.

That probably happens because Hotmail doesn't handle the List headers that are part of each message, e.g.:

List-Id: GIMP Developer List List-Unsubscribe:,
List-Archive:
List-Post:
List-Help:
List-Subscribe:,

It should be rather easy for Hotmail's developers with their near limitless resources to implement a List Reply feature (or make Reply behave differently for list mails, although this may break other users' expectations). Additional features like links to the archive, unsubscribe or subscribe would be possible as well.

HTH, Michael

Michael,

I use Thunderbird 3.1.10 -- not the latest version, but quite happy with it. This version of Thunderbird does the same thing (replies to the individual poster, instead of the list).

In the last few years, the Gimp lists are the _only_ lists I receive that result in this behavior.

Jay

Michael Schumacher
2012-05-11 13:50:52 UTC (over 2 years ago)

Reply via List Headers

Von: Jay Smith

Michael,

I use Thunderbird 3.1.10 -- not the latest version, but quite happy with it. This version of Thunderbird does the same thing (replies to the individual poster, instead of the list).

There are or have been extensions to provide list reply commands - I have used those myself. Current Thunderbird versions provide them without the need of extensions.

In the last few years, the Gimp lists are the _only_ lists I receive that result in this behavior.

Initially, I was quite annoyed by lists that had no reply-to set - but that was years ago. Nowadays, I like the consistent behavior of reply going to the author, and list reply going to the list. Elitist attitude, I guess, but it still feels good :)

Regards, Michael

Richard Gitschlag
2012-05-11 15:00:47 UTC (over 2 years ago)

Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;)

These are the sender details as they appear on the Hotmail end of things:

From: gimp-user-list-bounces@gnome.org on behalf of Kevin Brubeck Unhammer (unhammer@fsfe.org)

Sent: Fri 5/11/12 12:38 AM

To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org

Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ;)

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html is the long answer.

TL;DR version: the group reply address is already in the email headers, your email client should give you a function to use that or the author reply address at your choice – if it doesn't, that's a bug in the client. Mailing lists that do change headers are providing bug compatibility (some people think that's a good thing, I guess).

If Hotmail doesn't have a reply-to-group function as well as reply-to-author, I guess you could hit reply-to-all? Or get a better email client ;-)

Hitting "Reply to all" is an acceptable workaround for now, the reply form gets prefilled with two addresses (individual user and mailing list), and I don't have to keep typing the latter in manually.

-- Stratadrake strata_ranger@hotmail.com
--------------------
Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth.

Kevin Cozens
2012-05-11 15:17:04 UTC (over 2 years ago)

Reply via List Headers [was: Re: Calm and rational Save/Export workflow report ; )]

On 12-05-11 09:43 AM, Jay Smith wrote:

I use Thunderbird 3.1.10 -- not the latest version, but quite happy with it. This version of Thunderbird does the same thing (replies to the individual poster, instead of the list).

I'm using Thunderbird 12 and it has a reply-to-list button. That button was in Thunderbird 11 (IIRC) and may have been in some earlier versions). I can't tell when I appeared if it isn't available in Thunderbird 3. My distro recently did a big jump in Thunderbird version from 3 to 11.

In the last few years, the Gimp lists are the _only_ lists I receive that result in this behavior.

I know what you mean. Most (all?) of the other lists I'm on I still just hit reply and the message goes back to the list.