Daniel Carrera wrote:

Hi all,

I know that this isn't a web-page-help list, but I am totally stuck, I've spent all night trying to solve a problem that shouldn't be there, and there is no appropriate mailing list that is dedicated to this. Since this list has a high concentration of people knowledgable of HTML, I hope someone will be kind enough to help.

Check out cellpadding and cellspacing for the

I've volunteered to make a website:

http://www.math.umd.edu/~dcarrera/bsm/maybe/

It uses tables.

There is a background image that is split into chunks, each is placed on a table cell. The table has border 0, so all the chunks should fit together nicely...

They don't.

I have searched everywhere, and I have done everything I can think of and there are still spaces between the images which wrecks the entire effect.

Someone in this list must have had this problem before. I hope that someone will be kind enough to point out a solution. I am totally at a loss here. I just don't know what to do at this point. The page SHOULD look fine.

Thank you very much.

Just run on exactly that last week. :-)

The solution is easier than you think:

Just add "border=0" to the tags inside the cells.

Regards,

JS ->

On Monday 18 August 2003 3:02 am, Daniel Carrera wrote:

One more thing... I have discovered that the problem is caused by the links: ...

For some reason, the tags cause an extra space below the images.

On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 01:36:02AM -0400, Daniel Carrera wrote:

Hi all,

I know that this isn't a web-page-help list, but I am totally stuck, I've spent all night trying to solve a problem that shouldn't be there, and there is no appropriate mailing list that is dedicated to this. Since this list has a high concentration of people knowledgable of HTML, I hope someone will be kind enough to help.

I've volunteered to make a website:

http://www.math.umd.edu/~dcarrera/bsm/maybe/

It uses tables.

There is a background image that is split into chunks, each is placed on a table cell. The table has border 0, so all the chunks should fit together nicely...

They don't.

I have searched everywhere, and I have done everything I can think of and there are still spaces between the images which wrecks the entire effect.

Someone in this list must have had this problem before. I hope that someone will be kind enough to point out a solution. I am totally at a loss here. I just don't know what to do at this point. The page SHOULD look fine.

Thank you very much. --
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On Monday 18 August 2003 4:27 pm, Daniel Carrera wrote: (...)

That's really weird... but it seems to work. Another weird thing is that it works on Mozilla, but not on IE. Now, if I do the same for the tags:

I solve that putting the closing ">" for a tag on a newline, and leaving no white spaces before the next " Thus:

Does the job!

Just to bring it back on topic: Gimp's Perlotine plugin could add the "border='0'" part on the img tags at no cost. If someone will create the patch and correctly post it at the Gimp Bugzilla page in a few hours, everybody will be happy.

Regards,

JS ->

It seems to work on both Mozilla and IE.

I'm not confortable with my pages depending on this kind of Voodoo magic. I'll try out a few more browsers before I declare victory.

Now, the amazing thing is that this even even works for Netscape 4.8! (I had given up on supporting it correctly). So I'm hopeful that this will work out.

Thanks again.

Hi,

Perlotine has always set the border attribute - it wouldn't work well without it. Its actually a user adjustable parameter.

I don't think perlotine was being used by this user, or the problem probably would never have occurred.

Happy GIMPing,

Seth

Just to bring it back on topic: Gimp's Perlotine plugin could add the "border='0'" part on the img tags at no cost. If someone will create the patch and correctly post it at the Gimp Bugzilla page in a few hours, everybody will be happy.

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On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 03:27:12PM -0400, Daniel Carrera wrote:

Try putting it all on one (admittedly ugly) line with no extra spaces:

That's really weird... but it seems to work.

Actually, to reassure you all, that is totally correct, documented, standardized and expected behaviour.

New lines _are_ whitespace. e.g.

Hello, I am here.

will have space before the "I". No matter how many spaces/newlines/tabs etc. you use, unless you are within pre or similar elements, it's a single "whitespace" that seperates characters.

On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 09:33:31PM -0400, Daniel Carrera wrote:

Oh no, you missed the issue. It was not about a whitespace, it was about creating a NEWLINE.

There was a whole blank line BELOW the image.

Unless... a whitespace could somehow create that newline... maybe it wrapped around?

Yupp. whitespace can be a new line, a space, or something else to seperate, as the browser sees fit.

Daniel Carrera - Wednesday 20 August 2003 03:33 - about Re: [Gimp-user] Webpage Help:

Hi Daniel,

Oh no, you missed the issue. It was not about a whitespace, it was about creating a NEWLINE.

There was a whole blank line BELOW the image.

Unless... a whitespace could somehow create that newline... maybe it wrapped around?

I've created two html pages, one for Mozilla and one for Konqueror and Netscape, with examples of t test this in IE, but you should be able to adapt the pages.

Hope that helps,

[rest snipped]

Natalie

Hello, Natalie;

I brought up the two web sites you mentioned using IE 6 and that browser reacts differntly than mozilla or ... whatever.(Why am I not surprised?!? :-)

As an example, the very first example in your _moz example has a blazing white line separating the first row and the second using IE, as opposed to Mozilla where all four cells of the table abut nicely. This was the sample with the


are all on one line, IE
renders the table with NO white line between the rows.

Oh, well......

Regards,

Bill Lee

Nat wrote:

Daniel Carrera - Wednesday 20 August 2003 03:33 - about Re: [Gimp-user] Webpage Help:

Hi Daniel,

Oh no, you missed the issue. It was not about a whitespace, it was about creating a NEWLINE.

There was a whole blank line BELOW the image.

Unless... a whitespace could somehow create that newline... maybe it wrapped around?

I've created two html pages, one for Mozilla and one for Konqueror and Netscape, with examples of t test this in IE, but you should be able to adapt the pages.

Hope that helps,

[rest snipped]

Natalie

Bill Lee - Thursday 21 August 2003 04:11 - about Re: [Gimp-user] Webpage Help:

Hello, Natalie;

I brought up the two web sites you mentioned using IE 6 and that browser reacts differntly than mozilla or ... whatever.(Why am I not surprised?!? :-)

... they _all_ behave different. Even the gaps are not the same size :)

I've done some more testing, changed the pages: One page with the tabledata tag and the preceding or following tag "glued" together, the other page with those tags on separate lines. Replaced all xmp tags by pre tags, they both display the source code in all browsers. Added numbers to the examples.

These are the new pages:

http://www.latinae.demon.nl/img_tables_single.html http://www.latinae.demon.nl/img_tables_multi.html

Results: displays ok in single multi
Mozilla 1, 8, 9 1, 8, 9
Netscape 1, 8, 9 none
Konqueror 1, 5, 8 none
Opera 1, 5, 8, 9 none

Good luck!

[rest snipped]

Natalie

Hi,

On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 22:26, Silviu Cojocaru wrote:

The best thing you can do is to run your pages through a validator. There is one at http://www.w3c.org/ and when I am offline I use tidy to solve errors and warnings. Usually solving all warnings and errors tidy points out is a winner ticket for you page(s) to pass the w3c validator tests.

If you go for XHTML, you can easily validate your pages locally using xmllint (provided that you have the DTD available of course).

Sven