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Feedback on new rect select tool

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Feedback on new rect select tool David Neary 13 Feb 11:25
  Feedback on new rect select tool Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris 13 Feb 20:12
David Neary
2005-02-13 11:25:45 UTC (about 19 years ago)

Feedback on new rect select tool

Hi,

Just tried out the new rect select tool and I have a few comments which I thought might be appreciated.

First off, thanks to Bill for the work - this is already an improvement over the old rect select tool, IMHO, apart from one thing (which I'll get to later).

First, "Show dialog" must go. I'm sure that there are people who use this dialog, both in the crop tool and here, but it's a nightmare.

Second, "Adjustable" should be the default. It was very confusing to me that I saw the shading + handles à la crop tool, and then as soon as I released, just had a rectangular selection.

The big lacking functionality is the aspect ratio/fixed size functionality from rect select. Being able to constrain the ratio of selections during their creation, and also while editing them, is very useful.

One usability change which would be great, but I know that it is a lot trickier, is to have the selection be both a selection and adjustable at the same time. It would be great to be able to drag the corners (or even, why not, the edges) of a selection to move it around & resize it dynamically, but have it actually be a selection if I do something like apply a filter. The question is whether the adjustableness would only apply to the last element added to the selection (ellipse, rectangle, or why not, freehand?) or to the bounding box of the entire active selection. I haven't thought a whole lot about it.

In short, I think it's good, and if the tool can pick up the last remaining bits of functionality from the rect select tool, and the other selection tools behaved similarly (at least the ellipse tool), I'd be in favour of it being the 2.4 rect select tool. Of course, if something better comes along in the meantime...

Cheers, Dave.

Joao S. O. Bueno Calligaris
2005-02-13 20:12:02 UTC (about 19 years ago)

Feedback on new rect select tool

On Sunday 13 February 2005 08:25, David Neary wrote:

Hi,

Ok...
I? say I agree fully with Dave's comments. I'd have something to add here:

One usability change which would be great, but I know that it is a lot trickier, is to have the selection be both a selection and adjustable at the same time. It would be great to be able to drag the corners (or even, why not, the edges) of a selection to move it around & resize it dynamically, but have it actually be a selection if I do something like apply a filter. The question is whether the adjustableness would only apply to the last element added to the selection (ellipse, rectangle, or why not, freehand?) or to the bounding box of the entire active selection. I haven't thought a whole lot about it.

Great - I think that if the selection was not replaced by the rectangle, the adjustment could be - for the time being - on the boundng box of the selection. I say "for the time being" - because the olny satisfactory UI I can perceive for this is to have each element on the selection adjustable - that means that sucessive erctangle selects, ellipse, free hands, select by colors, use of quickmask, etc, should be individually "pickable" and re-edited.

The only way this functionality might be implemented is if - or rather - when - Pippin's suggestions for what could be called an 'action' model for the drawables is implemented. That is - the GIMP would record not only the actuall raster data, but each action performed on a drawable as a "data independent" model. That would also allow for a great macro recorder, out of order undo/redo, per drawable undo/redo - and this - a fully readjustable selection. Maybe we could put some more thinking in how this proposed model would be achievable.

Cheers,
Dave.

Regards,

JS
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