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Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?

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Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? Srihari Sriraman 01 May 05:25
  Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? Alec Burgess 01 May 06:03
   Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? gespertino@gmail.com 01 May 15:50
    Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? gespertino@gmail.com 01 May 15:58
     Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? Srihari Sriraman 01 May 16:45
     Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? Ofnuts 01 May 16:53
      Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? gespertino@gmail.com 01 May 21:53
  Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? Cristian Secară 03 May 07:35
   Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? Srihari Sriraman 03 May 13:40
    Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? Cristian Secară 03 May 15:38
     Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? Srihari Sriraman 03 May 16:25
Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? isaacbwagner@gmail.com 01 May 16:46
Srihari Sriraman
2012-05-01 05:25:44 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?

Hi,

Note: This is a little off from the topic of "Update on Tito" [1]; hence the new thread.
Is the menu search, aka 'Tito' good enough to be merged into the gimp? (See [3] for list of
features and [2] for a demo)

From the discussions with guiguru, it is quite apparent that Tito in its current help/explore form will be very useful. We have however been unable to make those few changes (mac like interface) that he suggested. (See pitfalls in [3]).

We don't think there is much more we can add/change in the menu search. And we've fixed all known bugs.
Why not merge it and let the users explore it and maybe it will spur new ideas?

[1] Updates thread
http://www.gimpusers.com/forums/gimp-developer/14142-an-update-on-the-menu-search [2] Demo http://youtu.be/G0PuH1LFWhA?hd=1 [3] Specs http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28366148/TITO-Specifications [4] Code https://github.com/ssvz4/gimp-tito

Alec Burgess
2012-05-01 06:03:35 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?

Not a developer but +1 - would love to try it!

Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail& WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)

On 2012-05-01 01:25, Srihari Sriraman wrote:

Why not merge it and let the users explore it and maybe it will spur new ideas?

gespertino@gmail.com
2012-05-01 15:50:55 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?

It doesn't look bad at all, but I'm not sure about the placement of the widget. It looks extremely useful for searching filters by name but maybe not so useful for more direct tools (for instance. I'd never use TITO for the rotate tool which is one click away in the toolbar). My gut says that Tito should have a fixed place, visually grouped with the menus it will make more accessible. In the demo Tito appears in the top menu and IMO that's a good place to have it, always visible. I wouldn't make it pop up elsewhere. I don't think the transparency is necessary either. It looks fine over the gray background but I wonder how much legibility will be compromised when a complex artwork is in the background.

I'm not a developer, so my point of view is exclusively a user opinion. If its code meets the quality standards expected by the core team and doesn't break something else, I think it could be very useful for finding plugins/scripts and operations hidden deep in the menu structure.
For the rest of the tools I don't think it makes a difference, because the time it saves is spent hovering one hand from the mouse to the keyboard and back.

gespertino@gmail.com
2012-05-01 15:58:04 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?

Oh, forgot to mention but it's important: Ubuntu just released 12.04 with a new feature: HUD. It basically does the same than TITO, but globally, with almost every application (GIMP included).
There's a risk of TITO becoming obsolete if distributions follow the same path and implement a global menu search tool. I guess that's something to be considered too. If GIMP includes TITO and next year all the major linux distributions have something like Ubuntu's HUD, then we'll have something redundant that uses resources and increase the size of the application with no benefit at all.

Srihari Sriraman
2012-05-01 16:45:05 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?

I'll just clarify a couple of things here:

but I'm not sure about the placement of the widget..

..I don't think the transparency is necessary either.

Placement clearly is a preference. People might even want to change where Tito appears wrt what they're working on. So we've made it adjustable in the preferences. Similarly for transparency.

We've looked at HUD. You could say the mac help system also does something similar.
HUD works only based on the Unity's global menu. And Gnome hasn't planned on developing something like the HUD yet.

Besides, the idea here is to tightly bond with the gimp so we can customize needs rather than leave it to the desktop environment. Even right now, Tito has gimp specific features that the HUD doesn't. (See specs). Tito has the potential to grow more useful than the HUD can be wrt gimp.

uses resources and increase the size of the application

Tito is quite light weight. Like the procedure browser... :)

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:28 PM, gespertino@gmail.com wrote:

Oh, forgot to mention but it's important: Ubuntu just released 12.04 with a new feature: HUD. It basically does the same than TITO, but globally, with almost every application (GIMP included).
There's a risk of TITO becoming obsolete if distributions follow the same path and implement a global menu search tool. I guess that's something to be considered too. If GIMP includes TITO and next year all the major linux distributions have something like Ubuntu's HUD, then we'll have something redundant that uses resources and increase the size of the application with no benefit at all. _______________________________________________ gimp-developer-list mailing list
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isaacbwagner@gmail.com
2012-05-01 16:46:12 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

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There will always be users of minimalist distros such as Archlinux (like myself) who may choose to avoid global UI fluff like that. And Windows and Mac users may not see something similar for some time. As long as Gimp's own mechanism isn't intrusive and can be completely ignored if the user wishes to, I don't think redundancy with Ubuntu should be an issue.

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Subject: [Gimp-developer] Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it? Date: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:58 am

Oh, forgot to mention but it's important: Ubuntu just released 12.04 with a new feature: HUD. It basically does the same than TITO, but globally, with almost every application (GIMP included).
There's a risk of TITO becoming obsolete if distributions follow the same path and implement a global menu search tool. I guess that's something to be considered too. If GIMP includes TITO and next year all the major linux distributions have something like Ubuntu's HUD, then we'll have something redundant that uses resources and increase the size of the application with no benefit at all.

Ofnuts
2012-05-01 16:53:37 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?

On 05/01/2012 05:58 PM, gespertino@gmail.com wrote:

Oh, forgot to mention but it's important: Ubuntu just released 12.04 with a new feature: HUD. It basically does the same than TITO, but globally, with almost every application (GIMP included).
There's a risk of TITO becoming obsolete if distributions follow the same path and implement a global menu search tool. I guess that's something to be considered too. If GIMP includes TITO and next year all the major linux distributions have something like Ubuntu's HUD, then we'll have something redundant that uses resources and increase the size of the application with no benefit at all.

According to Sourceforge, 71-73% of the people that get my Gimp python plugins are using Windows (I get these very similar figures on three differents SF projects). The best Linux ratio is 25%. And since it's python, the figure is biased towards Linux. These users can't depend on HUD.

gespertino@gmail.com
2012-05-01 21:53:44 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?

I'm not using Ubuntu either and I'm not saying it's a problem right now, but it could be if trends move to a menu like that in different operating systems.
AFAIK gnome isn't planning a HUD-like feature, but it's moving to a kind of global menu for certain applications (check the Web application in Gnome 3.4)
It's not an issue now, but it could be in a near future, so I wanted to point this out.

Cristian Secară
2012-05-03 07:35:39 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?

În data de Tue, 1 May 2012 10:55:44 +0530, Srihari Sriraman a scris:

Why not merge it and let the users explore it and maybe it will spur new ideas?

From what I understand, this is a tool that provides a kind of shortcuts based on English names of GIMP tools.

If this is correct, then Tito is useful only for English-speaking peoples. For me it is pretty useless, as it is equally difficult to remember where a deeep menu is, or remember a shorcut name (like gb for Neclaritate gaussiană or adjust for Dimensiune de canava).

I mean it may be very useful for many, but as default inclusion in a program that provides international support with its translated interface, hmm.

Cristi

Srihari Sriraman
2012-05-03 13:40:01 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Is Tito worth merging? What should be done with it?

Neclaritate gaussiană will probably be nb for you :) Tito works in all languages.

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Cristian Secară wrote:

În data de Tue, 1 May 2012 10:55:44 +0530, Srihari Sriraman a scris:

Why not merge it and let the users explore it and maybe it will spur new ideas?

From what I understand, this is a tool that provides a kind of shortcuts based on English names of GIMP tools.

If this is correct, then Tito is useful only for English-speaking peoples. For me it is pretty useless, as it is equally difficult to remember where a deeep menu is, or remember a shorcut name (like gb for Neclaritate gaussiană or adjust for Dimensiune de canava).

I mean it may be very useful for many, but as default inclusion in a program that provides international support with its translated interface, hmm.

Cristi

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Cristian Secară
2012-05-03 15:38:14 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

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În data de Thu, 3 May 2012 19:10:01 +0530, Srihari Sriraman a scris:

Neclaritate gaussiană will probably be nb for you :)

Where I am supposed to know this ?

Cristi

Srihari Sriraman
2012-05-03 16:25:58 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

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My bad... Neclaritate gaussiană will be ng. just the beginning letters of the words.

Tito will list the other possibilities of ng too. If you have used Neclaritate gaussiană from Tito before, it will be the first result and you can just hit enter.

Still, this is a simple idea. Perhaps we could let users assign keys for their favourite actions?
Maybe even let them choose multiple actions (Ex: Show grid + Snap to grid + Configure grid) at once?
Tito could throw up a lot of such ideas...

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Cristian Secară wrote:

În data de Thu, 3 May 2012 19:10:01 +0530, Srihari Sriraman a scris:

Neclaritate gaussiană will probably be nb for you :)

Where I am supposed to know this ?

Cristi

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