Hi,

On Sat, 2008-11-15 at 02:53 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

In KDE's KolourPaint one can open the Text tool, add text, and move the text insert location while the text is in edit mode. How does one do this in Gimp?

You open the text tool, add text and move the text using your mouse or the cursor keys. How does one do this in KolourPaint?

Sven

Hi,

On Sat, 2008-11-15 at 14:07 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

Thanks, Sven. It seems that on my system (Kubuntu 8.04) one must close the window labeled "Gimp Text Editor" in order to move the text.

I don't see why you would have to close that window in order to move the text. What keeps you from moving the text if the text editor window is open?

In
KolourPaint there is no separate text window, rather, the user opens a text box in a fashion similar to the Select tool, and types directly in it. The dimensions and placement of the text box in KolourPaint can be dynamically resized via the mouse while the text is being edited.

GIMP in trunk already allows on-canvas text editing. This will be in GIMP 2.8.

Sven

Dotan Cohen wrote:

2008/11/15 Sven Neumann :

Excellent, thanks! However, the more general question stands: do the Gimp devs take kindly to feature requests regarding the usability of Gimp's tools? Or should I not even bother and waste their time?

The developers appreciate high quality usability feedback which should go to the gimp-developer mailing list. We don't like people to file enhancement request to the bug tracker before they have been discussed on the mailing list however.

- Martin

I thought that was just because I was using the MAC version. Actually, I find I can only move the text with the arrow keys while any use of the mouse closes the box to editing regardless of where one clicks.

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:04:38 +0200, "Dotan Cohen" wrote:

2008/11/15 Sven Neumann :

Thanks, Sven. It seems that on my system (Kubuntu 8.04) one must close the window labeled "Gimp Text Editor" in order to move the text.

I don't see why you would have to close that window in order to move the text. What keeps you from moving the text if the text editor window is open?

After more experimentation, I see that this is the situation: If I click the canvas outside the text field, then the Gimp Text Editor window gets focus and I cannot move the text with the keyboard (nor the mouse, because I was not clicking on the text field). If I click the canvas on the in the text field, then I can move the text field with the arrow keys, but I still cannot drag it with the mouse.

GIMP in trunk already allows on-canvas text editing. This will be in GIMP 2.8.

Excellent, thanks! However, the more general question stands: do the Gimp devs take kindly to feature requests regarding the usability of Gimp's tools? Or should I not even bother and waste their time?

Hi,

On Sat, 2008-11-15 at 16:04 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

After more experimentation, I see that this is the situation: If I click the canvas outside the text field, then the Gimp Text Editor window gets focus and I cannot move the text with the keyboard (nor the mouse, because I was not clicking on the text field).

If you are clicking outside the text, then you are creating a new text layer. Of course the text tool can only move the currently active text.

If I click the canvas on the in the text field, then I can move the text field with the arrow keys, but I still cannot drag it with the mouse.

Why not? Works just fine here.

Sven

Hi,

On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 10:02 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

2008/11/15 Sven Neumann :

If I click the canvas on the in the text field, then I can move the text field with the arrow keys, but I still cannot drag it with the mouse.

Why not? Works just fine here.

I really do not know why not. I am on a pretty stock Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE 3.5.10) installation, with proprietary ATI video drivers.

Then your window manager is definitely misbehaving. The text editor dialog is transient to the image window. It is not a modal dialog. If it was modal, that would explain the behavior you are seeing. Perhaps your window manager implements transient dialogs as modal? I suggest that you file a bug report against your window manager.

Sven

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:03:40 +0100 Sven Neumann wrote:

Hi,

On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 10:02 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:

2008/11/15 Sven Neumann :

If I click the canvas on the in the text field, then I can move the text field with the arrow keys, but I still cannot drag it with the mouse.

Why not? Works just fine here.

I really do not know why not. I am on a pretty stock Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE 3.5.10) installation, with proprietary ATI video drivers.

Then your window manager is definitely misbehaving. The text editor dialog is transient to the image window. It is not a modal dialog. If it was modal, that would explain the behavior you are seeing. Perhaps your window manager implements transient dialogs as modal? I suggest that you file a bug report against your window manager.

I'm not sure which version of GIMP you are talking about. I have 2.4.7, and even though the text editor isn't modal, I cannot move the text. The cursor remain in the 'edit' shape (double T) even when over the drawing. Clicking on the text doesn't do anything, outside the text starts a new one (as described).

To be able to move the text, I have to select the move tool, which, of course, closes the text tool. I had been considering sending an RFE about this too.

So, I confirm Dotan's report. My WM is xfce 4.4.2, if that influences things. (X11 is xorg 7.4)

John

Hi,

On Sun, 2008-11-16 at 20:35 -0200, John Coppens wrote:

So, I confirm Dotan's report. My WM is xfce 4.4.2, if that influences things. (X11 is xorg 7.4)

Then your window manager is broken in a similar way.

Sven