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Can't open extremely large .PNG Deixis 12 Oct 08:08
  Can't open extremely large .PNG Ofnuts 12 Oct 19:54
   Can't open extremely large .PNG Deixis 12 Oct 23:39
   Can't open extremely large .PNG Deixis 13 Oct 08:03
  Can't open extremely large .PNG Liam R. E. Quin 12 Oct 21:09
   Can't open extremely large .PNG Deixis 12 Oct 23:42
    Can't open extremely large .PNG Liam R. E. Quin 13 Oct 23:35
     Can't open extremely large .PNG Deixis 15 Oct 09:18
      Can't open extremely large .PNG Deixis 15 Oct 09:21
       Can't open extremely large .PNG rich2005 15 Oct 10:34
        Can't open extremely large .PNG Deixis 15 Oct 10:49
         Can't open extremely large .PNG Rick Strong 15 Oct 17:19
          Can't open extremely large .PNG Deixis 15 Oct 17:26
           Can't open extremely large .PNG James Moe 15 Oct 19:28
         Can't open extremely large .PNG Liam R. E. Quin 16 Oct 05:39
  Can't open extremely large .PNG rich2005 13 Oct 10:12
   Can't open extremely large .PNG Deixis 13 Oct 10:24
   Can't open extremely large .PNG Deixis 13 Oct 10:32
    Can't open extremely large .PNG rich2005 13 Oct 11:19
     Can't open extremely large .PNG Deixis 13 Oct 12:57
      Can't open extremely large .PNG rich2005 13 Oct 15:35
       Can't open extremely large .PNG Deixis 13 Oct 16:42
      Can't open extremely large .PNG Rick Strong 13 Oct 21:46
2016-10-12 08:08:56 UTC (about 2 years ago)
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Does anyone know any tricks on how to resize extremely large images? I can't even open this computer generated .PNG. It's about 1 GB in size and I tried various tools so far to resize it. None of them can even open it. There must be some trick I can use?

Ofnuts
2016-10-12 19:54:45 UTC (about 2 years ago)

Can't open extremely large .PNG

On 12/10/16 10:08, Deixis wrote:

Does anyone know any tricks on how to resize extremely large images? I can't even open this computer generated .PNG. It's about 1 GB in size and I tried various tools so far to resize it. None of them can even open it. There must be some trick I can use?

Trick=Bigger computer with 64-bit CPU/architecture, OS and applications :)

Otherwise if you don't tell us the tools tested already people will likely suggest those you have already tried.

Me, I would try ImageMagicks' 'convert' utility.

Liam R. E. Quin
2016-10-12 21:09:21 UTC (about 2 years ago)

Can't open extremely large .PNG

On Wed, 2016-10-12 at 10:08 +0200, Deixis wrote:

Does anyone know any tricks on how to resize extremely large images? I can't
even open this computer generated .PNG.

I'm going to guess you are using a Linux system in this answer. Life is too short for me to try telepathy.

If you run the file command on the image file in a terminal, file foo.png
or
identify foo.png
do you get a size in pixels?

I routinely open 10,000 x 20,000 pixel images in gimp.

A good rule of thumb is the amount of memory you need will be width * height * 4 (assuming an 8-bit colour image) in bytes, e.g. for a 100,000 x 37,000 pixel image it's 100000 * 37000 * 4
which gives 14800000000 bytes
dividing by 1024 * 1024 (megabytes) gets 14114 megabytes
and dividing that by 1024 gives
13.7 gigabytes.

So to open this (fictional) image you'd want probably 16G of RAM or more in your 64-bit computer. On a 32-bit computer you'd want at least 20GBytes of swap.

The size of the image file on disk just reflects how well or badly the PNG compression has worked, but if it's worked well, the image could easily need over 100G of memory, which you could do by adding a large amount of swap space and being very patient.

Without more information about the image and your setup it's hard to guess and give more advice on which tools would be best.

Liam

2016-10-12 23:39:33 UTC (about 2 years ago)
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Trick=Bigger computer with 64-bit CPU/architecture, OS and applications :)

Otherwise if you don't tell us the tools tested already people will likely suggest those you have already tried.

Me, I would try ImageMagicks' 'convert' utility.

I didn't keep track of them all. PNGCrush was the last and VLIV would probably have worked if it had been a TIFF.

I'll try ImageMagicks.

2016-10-12 23:42:51 UTC (about 2 years ago)
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I'm going to guess you are using a Linux system in this answer. Life is
too short for me to try telepathy.

If you run the file command on the image file in a terminal, file foo.png
or
identify foo.png
do you get a size in pixels?

I routinely open 10,000 x 20,000 pixel images in gimp.

A good rule of thumb is the amount of memory you need will be width * height * 4 (assuming an 8-bit colour image) in bytes, e.g. for a 100,000 x 37,000 pixel image it's 100000 * 37000 * 4
which gives 14800000000 bytes
dividing by 1024 * 1024 (megabytes) gets 14114 megabytes
and dividing that by 1024 gives
13.7 gigabytes.

So to open this (fictional) image you'd want probably 16G of RAM or more in your 64-bit computer. On a 32-bit computer you'd want at least 20GBytes of swap.

The size of the image file on disk just reflects how well or badly the PNG compression has worked, but if it's worked well, the image could easily need over 100G of memory, which you could do by adding a large amount of swap space and being very patient.

Without more information about the image and your setup it's hard to guess and give more advice on which tools would be best.

Liam

Oh my gosh I'm sorry, I forgot that Gimp is released on more than just Windows. Yeah, I run in on Windows 10. I do have exactly 16 GB of ram, but only about 40 GB of free disc space left.

Is there perhaps just a way to cut the image into muliple images?

2016-10-13 08:03:38 UTC (about 2 years ago)
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Me, I would try ImageMagicks' 'convert' utility.

I couldn't figure out how to get into its command line from Windows 10. It launches a little window called IMDisplay, but there are no buttons anywhere to get into the command line. If I just open the image, IMDisplay errors out.

I'm an absolute newbie on this, I'm sorry. The documentation on the site all appears to assume I already know how to get into the command line. It's not the windows command line either, because it doesn't seem to recognize the convert command I need.

I'm really lost. Even the beginner tutorials assume much more competence about this than I can bring to the table. Can you please explain to me how to get into the console?

rich2005
2016-10-13 10:12:38 UTC (about 2 years ago)

Can't open extremely large .PNG

Does anyone know any tricks on how to resize extremely large images? I can't even open this computer generated .PNG. It's about 1 GB in size and I tried various tools so far to resize it. None of them can even open it. There must be some trick I can use?

Hate this mailing list format

However scaling down a very large image can be done using an application nip2.

see: http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/index.php?title=VIPS

I have not tried this in Windows, I use linux. Windows versions can be found at http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/supported/current/win32/ Despite the "/win32" the zips are named "_w64", so I assume 64 bit. no installer, unpacks to folders.

For this demo (in linux) scaling a 1197 MB png to a 20 MB jpg.

https://youtu.be/76Xn5BIrl2Y 4 minutes

2016-10-13 10:24:33 UTC (about 2 years ago)
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Hate this mailing list format

However scaling down a very large image can be done using an application nip2.

see: http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/index.php?title=VIPS

I have not tried this in Windows, I use linux. Windows versions can be found at
http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/supported/current/win32/ Despite the "/win32" the zips are named "_w64", so I assume 64 bit. no installer, unpacks to folders.

For this demo (in linux) scaling a 1197 MB png to a 20 MB jpg.

https://youtu.be/76Xn5BIrl2Y 4 minutes

Thank you, I see you just made it too. Working my way though it.

2016-10-13 10:32:14 UTC (about 2 years ago)
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Hate this mailing list format

However scaling down a very large image can be done using an application nip2.

see: http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/index.php?title=VIPS

I have not tried this in Windows, I use linux. Windows versions can be found at
http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/supported/current/win32/ Despite the "/win32" the zips are named "_w64", so I assume 64 bit. no installer, unpacks to folders.

For this demo (in linux) scaling a 1197 MB png to a 20 MB jpg.

https://youtu.be/76Xn5BIrl2Y 4 minutes

I can't seem to spot nip2 in the directory structure. Vips itself also seems to be a dos/command prompt application, I don't get an interface when running the vips executable.

rich2005
2016-10-13 11:19:28 UTC (about 2 years ago)

Can't open extremely large .PNG

I can't seem to spot nip2 in the directory structure. Vips itself also seems to be a dos/command prompt application, I don't get an interface when running the vips executable.

Many appologies, I gave bad info on the nip2 for windows download. Not Nip2

You have to go back a couple of sub-versions to get a windows installer.

http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/supported/8.2/win32/nip2-8.2b-setup.zip

This in a Win10 Virtual machine (with limited resorces) just to see how it installs.

Installs to a strange location but let it go there. You will find it in the Win10 applications. See the screenshot

2016-10-13 12:57:08 UTC (about 2 years ago)
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Many appologies, I gave bad info on the nip2 for windows download. Not Nip2

You have to go back a couple of sub-versions to get a windows installer.

http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/supported/8.2/win32/nip2-8.2b-setup.zip

This in a Win10 Virtual machine (with limited resorces) just to see how it installs.

Installs to a strange location but let it go there. You will find it in the Win10 applications. See the screenshot

Thank you. Yes, the program works but if I load the png in it, it instantly crashes with a typical Windows error that doesn't tell me anything. If I run the program again it asks me if I want to delete 319.50 MB of temp files from the temp area. Clearly it is doing something.

rich2005
2016-10-13 15:35:33 UTC (about 2 years ago)

Can't open extremely large .PNG

Thank you. Yes, the program works but if I load the png in it, it instantly crashes with a typical Windows error that doesn't tell me anything. If I run the program again it asks me if I want to delete 319.50 MB of temp files from the temp area. Clearly it is doing something.

It might be worth having another go. As before I use mainly linux, keep a Windows virtual machine to see the problems Win users experience with Gimp.

This Win 10 VM is short on resources, 2 GB memory and not much free disk space. Amazed that it works.

15 minutes to load the 1,225,877 KB png, 18 minutes to render a 10% scaled png 32,561 KB

see the screenshot and check the bottom left corner. I started with 2.02 GB free and ended with 1.11

Personally, I do not think that ImageMagick will scale that down. I get error messages here, but the place to ask is the IM forum where they are very helpful.

http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/ users section.

2016-10-13 16:42:02 UTC (about 2 years ago)
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It might be worth having another go. As before I use mainly linux, keep a Windows virtual machine to see the problems Win users experience with Gimp.

This Win 10 VM is short on resources, 2 GB memory and not much free disk space. Amazed that it works.

15 minutes to load the 1,225,877 KB png, 18 minutes to render a 10% scaled png 32,561 KB

see the screenshot and check the bottom left corner. I started with 2.02 GB free and ended with 1.11

Personally, I do not think that ImageMagick will scale that down. I get error messages here, but the place to ask is the IM forum where they are very helpful.

http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/ users section.

Ah, I misspoke. Sorry.

I still can't open it in Nip2. What I meant to say was that the Nip2 UI works now, but crashes as soon as I try to open the png.

Rick Strong
2016-10-13 21:46:56 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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Be it on your own head, but if had no further use for them, I would go ahead and delete the 319.50 MB of temp files from the temp area. Just make sure they're not currently doing something important. You might empty your Recycle Bin, too. It gives your machine headroom.

I reiterate, the responsibility is yours.

RS

-----Original Message----- From: Deixis
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Many appologies, I gave bad info on the nip2 for windows download. Not Nip2

You have to go back a couple of sub-versions to get a windows installer.

http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/supported/8.2/win32/nip2-8.2b-setup.zip

This in a Win10 Virtual machine (with limited resorces) just to see how it installs.

Installs to a strange location but let it go there. You will find it in the Win10 applications. See the screenshot

Thank you. Yes, the program works but if I load the png in it, it instantly crashes with a typical Windows error that doesn't tell me anything. If I run the
program again it asks me if I want to delete 319.50 MB of temp files from the
temp area. Clearly it is doing something.

Deixis (via www.gimpusers.com/forums)
Liam R. E. Quin
2016-10-13 23:35:05 UTC (about 2 years ago)

Can't open extremely large .PNG

On Thu, 2016-10-13 at 01:42 +0200, Deixis wrote:

 

Oh my gosh I'm sorry, I forgot that Gimp is released on more than just Windows.

It's OK, but giving information about your system is really really important when asking for help with software crashes.

Yeah, I run in on Windows 10. I do have exactly 16 GB of ram, but only about 40 GB of free disc space left.

Windows might need a large swap file (on the same partition as the main Windows disk, good old C: itself) so that might be a problem. Also make sure you have downloaded 64-bit versions of GIMP or whatever you're using.

Is there perhaps just a way to cut the image into muliple images?

Most software to do that will need to load the image into memory.

Do you know the dimensions (size in pixels) of the image? And whether it's RGB colour or greyscale?? Or is the image publicly available somewhere? And, what size do you want to end up with?

Does Windows Picture Viewer open the image? IrfanView is popular but has a 32-bit limit on file size, so even though your PNG image is only one gigabyte in disk size, it's compressed; if it uncompresses to more than 4 gigabytes, IrfanView will probably crash, as will most other 32- bit programs.

Some other programs: * http://www.fastpictureviewer.com/ [view only, no resize] * http://delhoume.frederic.free.fr/vliv.htm can export the current zoom view; shareware
http://fwtools.maptools.org/ (may be hard to use)

Liam

2016-10-15 09:18:21 UTC (about 2 years ago)
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It's OK, but giving information about your system is really really important when asking for help with software crashes. Windows might need a large swap file (on the same partition as the main
Windows disk, good old C: itself) so that might be a problem. Also make
sure you have downloaded 64-bit versions of GIMP or whatever you're using.
Most software to do that will need to load the image into memory.

Do you know the dimensions (size in pixels) of the image? And whether it's RGB colour or greyscale?? Or is the image publicly available somewhere? And, what size do you want to end up with?

Does Windows Picture Viewer open the image? IrfanView is popular but has a 32-bit limit on file size, so even though your PNG image is only one gigabyte in disk size, it's compressed; if it uncompresses to more than 4 gigabytes, IrfanView will probably crash, as will most other 32-
bit programs.

Some other programs: * http://www.fastpictureviewer.com/ [view only, no resize] * http://delhoume.frederic.free.fr/vliv.htm can export the current zoom
view; shareware
http://fwtools.maptools.org/ (may be hard to use)

Liam

Thanks.

Yes, I have the 64 bit version of Gimp. I only have about 80 GB of swappable space on my HD left, so that may be an issue if 1 GB will decompress over that limit. I don't know the dimentions of the map. It's colour, but the amount of colours will probably limited. Maybe more than 256 colours, very likely not photo-realism colours. I don't now know if the colour map was optimized, I kinda doubt it personally. It would probably end up needing the same amount of memory again anyhow, decompressed. The image is not publicly available, AFAIK I am the only person with a copy. The size I'm hoping to end up with is 4000x4000. Windows Picture Viewer doesn't open it., neither does Infran View, Nip2, Fast Picture Viewer, Image Magick and a few other tools I thought would have been able to do it. I tried improving the compression with a tool called PNGcrush, but it ended up making the file bigger for some reason (and still wouldn't let any program open it).

VLIV seemed like the best candidate also, seemed like an excellent candidate, but it won't open .png, only TIFF (which usually makes the most sense for large images) and a few other weird file formats. Because I did have a bit of hope VLIV could do it, I tried finding tools that could convert the image to TIFF. Sadly all I could find again either crashed or had memory/swap space issues.

http://fwtools.maptools.org/ is beyond me, I think. I have to set a limit to what I can do / understand and it's about there.

2016-10-15 09:21:28 UTC (about 2 years ago)
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I don't know the dimentions of the map.

I meant *image*, not map. Sorry. Yeah the image is a map. A Minecraft map, specifically of an unusually large world. I didn't want to say that, but I don't really want my wording to be misunderstood at this point.

rich2005
2016-10-15 10:34:36 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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I meant *image*, not map. Sorry. Yeah the image is a map. A Minecraft map, specifically of an unusually large world. I didn't want to say that, but I don't really want my wording to be misunderstood at this point.

Looking at your posts on IM-users, you have plenty of resources, maybe not enough disk space, so why not move that big file out to usb storage and accept some long processing times.

Apart from that, I think some of the problem is self-inflicted. Changing IM folder name etc...not a good idea.

While I still do not think IM will work for a 1GB png image, since it is installed you can get some information which might assist others to help.

Look at the attached screenshot:

Open the (lame) Win10 file manager in the folder containing the large png.

1. Up at the top in the location, type cmd then enter. This will open a terminal in that folder.

2. At the prompt \> type path (enter) and check that IM is in the correct place. (otherwise uninstall/re-install)

3. type in the command using your image name magick identify myimage.png

Does it show something like the screenshot? Is it really a png? Is it broken?

Post the information and hope someone will assist. I do know that nip2 will work with very limited resources in Win10, but you have to be patient.

2016-10-15 10:49:26 UTC (about 2 years ago)
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3. type in the command using your image name magick identify myimage.png

Does it show something like the screenshot? Is it really a png? Is it broken?

Post the information and hope someone will assist. I do know that nip2 will work with very limited resources in Win10, but you have to be patient.

It says:

C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-7.0.3-Q16>magick identify 1.png 1.png PNG 327168x325632 327168x325632+0+0 8-bit sRGB 1.0255GB 0.000u 0:00.000

Well, that's rediculously large. At least it's definitely a png.

Rick Strong
2016-10-15 17:19:59 UTC (about 2 years ago)

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So your image is 90 feet square at 300 dpi? That is a rather large image for anybody's computer.

RS

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3. type in the command using your image name magick identify myimage.png

Does it show something like the screenshot? Is it really a png? Is it broken?

Post the information and hope someone will assist. I do know that nip2 will work with very limited resources in Win10, but you have to be patient.

It says:

C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-7.0.3-Q16>magick identify 1.png 1.png PNG 327168x325632 327168x325632+0+0 8-bit sRGB 1.0255GB 0.000u 0:00.000

Well, that's rediculously large. At least it's definitely a png.

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2016-10-15 17:26:49 UTC (about 2 years ago)
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So your image is 90 feet square at 300 dpi? That is a rather large image for anybody's computer.

RS

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C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-7.0.3-Q16>magick identify 1.png 1.png PNG 327168x325632 327168x325632+0+0 8-bit sRGB 1.0255GB 0.000u 0:00.000

Well, that's rediculously large. At least it's definitely a png.

Yeah. I think I have to go about rendering it differently. The tool I used didn't really have any options.. maybe I can contact the creator. Thanks for your help.

James Moe
2016-10-15 19:28:32 UTC (about 2 years ago)

Can't open extremely large .PNG

On 10/15/2016 10:26 AM, Deixis wrote:

C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-7.0.3-Q16>magick identify 1.png 1.png PNG 327168x325632 327168x325632+0+0 8-bit sRGB 1.0255GB 0.000u 0:00.000

Well, that's ridiculously large. At least it's definitely a png.

You could try Nconvert. It is designed specifically to convert one image format to another, and has a *lot* of options.

James Moe
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Liam R. E. Quin
2016-10-16 05:39:04 UTC (about 2 years ago)

Can't open extremely large .PNG

On Sat, 2016-10-15 at 12:49 +0200, Deixis wrote:

 

C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-7.0.3-Q16>magick identify 1.png 1.png PNG 327168x325632 327168x325632+0+0 8-bit sRGB 1.0255GB 0.000u 0:00.000

OK, so this will need approx. 400 gigabytes of swap space, maybe as much as twice that.

If you want to try working with it, you should get a spare 1T or 2T hard drive.

In the netbpm tools the pamscale program reads a single raster row at a time, so it can probably handle your image. You'd need to use something like (in the command line, netpbm does not have a GUI)

pngtopnm -byrow thefile.png | pamscale -reduce 1024 -linear | pnmtopng

smallfile.png

https://sourceforge.net/projects/netpbm/ (make sure you get a 64-bit version though)

But it would be better to regenerate the image!

Liam