* Jesse Pavel [06-26-13 02:22]:

Gimp 2.8.6 (on Windows) queries new plugins at every startup; 2.8.4 did not. It seems pluginrc in the .gimp-2.8 user directory is written properly, and when run with --verbose, gimp reports that it is parsing the file, but immediately queries all the plugins anyhow.

[...]

To my aged and somewhat failing recoginition, gimp has *always* loaded/queried it's plugins and extensions when starting, irrespective of platform. If 2.8.4 did not, it probably was a failing/bug. I am still on 2.8.2 and it also does the check/load at start.

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On 06/26/13 07:02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Jesse Pavel [06-26-13 02:22]:

Gimp 2.8.6 (on Windows) queries new plugins at every startup; 2.8.4 did not. It seems pluginrc in the .gimp-2.8 user directory is written properly, and when run with --verbose, gimp reports that it is parsing the file, but immediately queries all the plugins anyhow.

[...]

To my aged and somewhat failing recoginition, gimp has *always* loaded/queried it's plugins and extensions when starting, irrespective of platform. If 2.8.4 did not, it probably was a failing/bug. I am still on 2.8.2 and it also does the check/load at start.

I have the same experience as well, and have always had the same experience. GIMP queries for plugins at startup, I just upgraded to 2.8.6 but have yet to run it, though I'm expecting that normal behavior yet again.

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Von: "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr"

To my aged and somewhat failing recoginition, gimp has *always* loaded/queried it's plugins and extensions when starting, irrespective of platform. If 2.8.4 did not, it probably was a failing/bug. I am still on 2.8.2 and it also does the check/load at start.

I have the same experience as well, and have always had the same experience. GIMP queries for plugins at startup, I just upgraded to 2.8.6 but have yet to run it, though I'm expecting that normal behavior yet again.

Yes, it does that. But in order to avoid querying plug-ins that haven't changed, their modification time is compared to the cached values. The whole query is hardly noticeable on a modern system except on the first launch (and launches after an upgrade).

Regards, Michael

On 06/26/13 09:40, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Von: "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr"

To my aged and somewhat failing recoginition, gimp has *always* loaded/queried it's plugins and extensions when starting, irrespective of platform. If 2.8.4 did not, it probably was a failing/bug. I am still on 2.8.2 and it also does the check/load at start.

I have the same experience as well, and have always had the same experience. GIMP queries for plugins at startup, I just upgraded to 2.8.6 but have yet to run it, though I'm expecting that normal behavior yet again.

Yes, it does that. But in order to avoid querying plug-ins that haven't changed, their modification time is compared to the cached values. The whole query is hardly noticeable on a modern system except on the first launch (and launches after an upgrade).

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I have no idea what you're talking about. On every system I've ever put GIMP on in the 8 or so years I've used it, the start-up time is exactly the same no matter how many times I launch The GIMP, upgrades or not.

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On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:21:15 -0400, Jesse Pavel wrote:

Have others been experiencing this?

This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking into it.

< Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://eternallybored.org/ >

Am 26.06.13 22:11, schrieb Jernej Simončič:

This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking into it.

You're right. The 64 bit build doesn't have that delay on startup.

Kind regards,

Sven

Perhaps you could leave it buggy and maybe these python script writers with problems won't see their changes ignored:

http://gimpforums.com/thread-problems-using-python-scripts http://gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6486

Kevin

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From: jernej|s-gmane@eternallybored.org Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:11:11 +0200 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8.6 Windows - Queries new Plug-ins at every startup

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 02:21:15 -0400, Jesse Pavel wrote:

Have others been experiencing this?

This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking into it.

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On 26.06.2013 22:43, Kevin Payne wrote:

Perhaps you could leave it buggy and maybe these python script writers with problems won't see their changes ignored:

http://gimpforums.com/thread-problems-using-python-scripts http://gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6486

Or, as an alternative, someone could report that problem as a proper bug. With a minimal sample script for the reviewers to try attached to it.

HTH,
Michael

On 06/26/13 15:17, scl wrote:

Am 26.06.13 22:11, schrieb Jernej Simončič:

This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking into it.

You're right. The 64 bit build doesn't have that delay on startup.

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Not true.

amd64 FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE-p4 here, just updated to GIMP 2.8.6 and still have the delay over multiple sessions. I don't really see it as buggy. If there is something missing it will only be known by rescanning the folders time-and-again. Just my $2 worth.

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Von: "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr"

On 06/26/13 15:17, scl wrote:

Am 26.06.13 22:11, schrieb Jernej Simončič:

This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking into it.

You're right. The 64 bit build doesn't have that delay on startup.

Not true.

amd64 FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE-p4 here, just updated to GIMP 2.8.6 and still have the delay over multiple sessions.

Then you may be seeing the same or a similar bug on your platform. You didn't really specify how long that delay is, though.

I don't really see it as buggy.

It doesn't matter whether you see something as a bug for it to be one.

If there is something missing it will only be known by rescanning the folders time-and-again.

If it is missing, then it will be added (remember my comment about the caching based on the file modification time?). If a plug-in was there previously and has been changed, its query() procedure will be run again. See http://www.gimp.org/docs/plug-in/sect-essentials.html for a more detailed description of a plug-in's key procedures.

So there's no need for GIMP to re-query plug-ins all the time. As I wrote before, an GIMP launch with unchanged plug-ins should rush through that stage.

-- HTH,
Michael

On 06/27/13 02:42, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Von: "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr"

On 06/26/13 15:17, scl wrote:

Am 26.06.13 22:11, schrieb Jernej Simončič:

This appears to be a bug in 32-bit build - we're looking into it.

You're right. The 64 bit build doesn't have that delay on startup.

Not true.

amd64 FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE-p4 here, just updated to GIMP 2.8.6 and still have the delay over multiple sessions.

Then you may be seeing the same or a similar bug on your platform. You didn't really specify how long that delay is, though.

Before (2.8.4) it was close to 15 seconds. I've not really counted though as I just go to another works-space and prepare something else or check FB or something.

I don't really see it as buggy.

It doesn't matter whether you see something as a bug for it to be one.

I know, just saying I didn't have a problem with it.

If there is something missing it will only be known by rescanning the folders time-and-again.

If it is missing, then it will be added (remember my comment about the caching based on the file modification time?). If a plug-in was there previously and has been changed, its query() procedure will be run again. See http://www.gimp.org/docs/plug-in/sect-essentials.html for a more detailed description of a plug-in's key procedures.

So there's no need for GIMP to re-query plug-ins all the time. As I wrote before, an GIMP launch with unchanged plug-ins should rush through that stage.

-- HTH, Michael _______________________________________________

Well, it seems to be the case now with the latest update 2.8.6 (e.g. it rushes through that step where before it never did). Because I used to that delay when I launched it after upgrading to 2.8.6 (admittedly only two launches since the update, but uncountable ones before) I would just launch and go do something else for a few moments while GIMP organized. After my last post to the list I had need to launch it again (to export some tif to jpg for use on Facebook) and paid attention and it just flew through like normal.

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On 06/26/2013 10:54 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

On 26.06.2013 22:43, Kevin Payne wrote:

Perhaps you could leave it buggy and maybe these python script writers with problems won't see their changes ignored:

http://gimpforums.com/thread-problems-using-python-scripts http://gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6486

Or, as an alternative, someone could report that problem as a proper bug. With a minimal sample script for the reviewers to try attached to it.

I have helped quite a few people writing their first python scripts, and once they know where to look/what to check, the problem vanishes...One of my scripts even abuses the registration procedure (it runs but doesn't register, so runs each time Gimp is started). So the whole thing works quite well and all problems I have seen have been with the user's system (or operating procedures).

I would even say it works too well... I have Python plugins that use a configuration file, and this configuration file will change things in the registration, but Gimp of course doesn't check the timestamp of the configuration file. It would be nice if the registration data could include a file to check the next time around...

I just started using GIMP. I like it so far but this query of plugins at startup bug takes about 2 minutes every single time I start up GIMP. I hope there is a fix for it soon.

I'm running Widows XP with GIMP 2.8.6

I just started using GIMP. I like it so far but this query of plugins at startup bug takes about 2 minutes every single time I start up GIMP. I hope there is a fix for it soon.

I'm running Widows XP with GIMP 2.8.6

I downloaded GIMP today (16 August) and run Win 7 (64-bit). I've been unable to get it to start because it crashes when 'querying plugins' in the 'Startup' routine. If I close the GIMP window and try again it skips across the previous plugin .exe but then hangs at the next one. After ten-minutes of closing/ running/ hanging.....etc., I gave-up! Free software is fine if it works, if it doesn't it's just a few deleted bits in the Recycle Bin....

I downloaded GIMP today (16 August) and run Win 7 (64-bit). I've been unable to get it to start because it crashes when 'querying plugins' in the 'Startup' routine. If I close the GIMP window and try again it skips across the previous plugin .exe but then hangs at the next one. After ten-minutes of closing/ running/ hanging.....etc., I gave-up! Free software is fine if it works, if it doesn't it's just a few deleted bits in the Recycle Bin....

OK, problem identified and fixed. My problem was with ZONE ALARM firewall settings. It required GIMP access to be set manually to allow internet access. This maybe what is causing the problem with others. Check any firewall settings.

On 08/16/13 08:17, physoc wrote:

I downloaded GIMP today (16 August) and run Win 7 (64-bit). I've been unable to get it to start because it crashes when 'querying plugins' in the 'Startup' routine. If I close the GIMP window and try again it skips across the previous plugin .exe but then hangs at the next one. After ten-minutes of closing/ running/ hanging.....etc., I gave-up! Free software is fine if it works, if it doesn't it's just a few deleted bits in the Recycle Bin....

OK, problem identified and fixed. My problem was with ZONE ALARM firewall settings. It required GIMP access to be set manually to allow internet access. This maybe what is causing the problem with others. Check any firewall settings.

I've ran Zone Alarm and it shouldn't be interfering with The GIMP starting up (especially since, afaik, The GIMP doesn't need the Internet to work).

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I've ran Zone Alarm and it shouldn't be interfering with The GIMP starting up (especially since, afaik, The GIMP doesn't need the Internet
to work).

Well the issue is academic now as, once GIMP ran and I tried it, it got uninstalled asap. Originally installed because a 'photo magazine described it as 'the closest thing to Photoshop you'll find'. I guess the reviewer was taking some substance or alcohol...! I often find that these open-source applications attract a certain type of geek who are more interested in the development of software rather than the practical use of the program to the end user. As an 'end user' I rate GIMP as next to useless.

The banner at the bottom of the GIMP webpage reads ' Why pay for Photo Editing Software?' Why, because the 'end user' wants something that works properly and has an intuitive GUI. As far as I can see GIMP falls-over in both respects.

I shall use Lightroom 5. I pay, but I'm happy.

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:16 AM, physoc wrote:

Why, because the 'end user' wants something that works properly and has an intuitive GUI

Why, because the 'end user' wants something that works properly and has an intuitive GUI **compared to what they already know and are familiar with**.

Fixed that for ya.

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Well the issue is academic now as, once GIMP ran and I tried it, it got uninstalled asap. Originally installed because a 'photo magazine described it as 'the closest thing to Photoshop you'll find'. I guess the reviewer was taking some substance or alcohol...! I often find that these open-source applications attract a certain type of geek who are more interested in the development of software rather than the practical use of the program to the end user. As an 'end user' I rate GIMP as next to useless.

I would really be interested in why you think GIMP is 'useless'.

I actually use GIMP to make my webcomic weekly. I don't think it's useless. I just had to learn it--same as any other software.

physoc (forums@gimpusers.com) wrote:

The banner at the bottom of the GIMP webpage reads ' Why pay for Photo Editing Software?'

Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or?

Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where paying for your photo editing software makes a lot of sense.

Bye, Simon

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I would really be interested in why you think GIMP is 'useless'.

Well mainly because it won't load my Nikon RAW files. My impression is that it's aimed, not at 'photo editing but rather bitmap graphics. See the comment about 'webcomic' on the thread. But this aside I was disappointed given the comment in the multi-page feature in What Digital Camera magazine that seemed to imply that it was a comparable product to Photoshop.

I was a bit unkind about geeks and open-source applications. I use OpenOffice and I'm very pleased with it. But OpenOpffice, unlike GIMP, does provide a professional 'Office' look-alike experience. And I think that is what I was hoping for with GIMP, but didn't get. OK, not 'useless', but of no use to me, is a more accurate comment.

physoc (forums@gimpusers.com) wrote: Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or?

Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where paying for your photo editing software makes a lot of sense.

Bye, Simon

Simon, the phase appears at the bottom of this very page on GIMPUSERS.com....at www.getgimp.com

I feel that perhaps you may be a bit misguided in your interpretation of GIMP.

There are plenty of us who use it daily for high end photographic retouching and editing. Like most things worth using, it may take a little time to become accustomed to the methods and interface. Being initially confusing to you doesn't necessarily make it any less of a program in terms of capability or performance.

GIMP is aimed at raster image manipulation. It is more than capable for the just about any photo editing you may want to do (with few exceptions). I personally am willing to guess that it will do anything you personally need to do in Ps.

GIMP will not read RAW files directly, but neither will Ps, just FYI. Ps uses Adobe Camera RAW to first 'develop' the image, then passes it to Ps for editing. In the same way, GIMP can use a RAW processor to first develop the image, then open it (of course, you have a nice choice of RAW processors to choose from in the F/OSS world).

btw, if you are not actually developing your RAW files in ACR first, you're already losing a huge chunk of control right out of the gate. Seriously.

For instance, my own workflow has me opening/editing RAW files in RawTherapee, which I then pass directly (and easily) into my GIMP sessions.

If it helps, I personally write tutorials specifically targeted at GIMP for photographic retouching/editing. Perhaps walking through a couple of tutorials may help you wrap your head around the concepts that are different than what you might be used to?

http://blog.patdavid.net/p/getting-around-in-gimp.html

Also, I might suggest looking into a different location for downloading your version of GIMP. Partha has builds that include many useful photographic plugins/scripts that may help your workflow out as well:

http://www.partha.com/

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:53 PM, physoc wrote:

I would really be interested in why you think GIMP is 'useless'.

Well mainly because it won't load my Nikon RAW files. My impression is that it's aimed, not at 'photo editing but rather bitmap graphics. See the comment about 'webcomic' on the thread. But this aside I was disappointed given the comment in the multi-page feature in
What Digital Camera magazine that seemed to imply that it was a comparable product to Photoshop.

I was a bit unkind about geeks and open-source applications. I use OpenOffice
and I'm very pleased with it. But OpenOpffice, unlike GIMP, does provide a professional 'Office' look-alike experience. And I think that is what I was hoping for with GIMP, but didn't get. OK, not 'useless', but of no use to me, is
a more accurate comment.

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On 16.08.2013 19:57, physoc wrote:

physoc (forums@gimpusers.com) wrote: Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or?

Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where paying for your photo editing software makes a lot of sense.

Simon, the phase appears at the bottom of this very page on GIMPUSERS.com....at www.getgimp.com

Yep, this is some dubious download site. Note the "launches DownloadAdmin, which will mange your installation process." in that site's fine print, that means that you can be tricked into installing potentially malicious software alongside GIMP.

By using ad services that have such occasional ad banners which point to such scams, gimpusers.com - itself being a third-party site - does unfortunately contribute to that confusion. Maybe they should find a way to weed those out.

Regards,
Michael

physoc (forums@gimpusers.com) wrote:

physoc (forums@gimpusers.com) wrote: Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or?

Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where paying for your photo editing software makes a lot of sense.

Bye, Simon

Simon, the phase appears at the bottom of this very page on GIMPUSERS.com....at

Note that gimpusers.com adds to the confusion, since they're channeling posts to the gimp-user mailinglist (which is what I reacted to). So for me there is no "this very page", since I am reading this in a text terminal.

I believe it to be a bad idea that mails from "forums@gimpusers.com" are allowed on this mailinglist, it just confuses things.

Bye, Simon

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Thanks for the extensive reply and tips. I may try again in a week or two when I've 'recovered' from the initial setback and frustration, and who knows I may find that I've been totally wrong in my impression of usefulness. Regards, Tony

I feel that perhaps you may be a bit misguided in your interpretation of
GIMP.

There are plenty of us who use it daily for high end photographic retouching and editing. Like most things worth using, it may take a little
time to become accustomed to the methods and interface. Being initially
confusing to you doesn't necessarily make it any less of a program in terms
of capability or performance.

GIMP is aimed at raster image manipulation. It is more than capable for
the just about any photo editing you may want to do (with few exceptions).
I personally am willing to guess that it will do anything you personally
need to do in Ps.

GIMP will not read RAW files directly, but neither will Ps, just FYI. Ps
uses Adobe Camera RAW to first 'develop' the image, then passes it to Ps
for editing. In the same way, GIMP can use a RAW processor to first develop the image, then open it (of course, you have a nice choice of RAW
processors to choose from in the F/OSS world).

btw, if you are not actually developing your RAW files in ACR first, you're
already losing a huge chunk of control right out of the gate. Seriously.

For instance, my own workflow has me opening/editing RAW files in RawTherapee, which I then pass directly (and easily) into my GIMP sessions.

If it helps, I personally write tutorials specifically targeted at GIMP for
photographic retouching/editing. Perhaps walking through a couple of tutorials may help you wrap your head around the concepts that are different than what you might be used to?

http://blog.patdavid.net/p/getting-around-in-gimp.html

Also, I might suggest looking into a different location for downloading
your version of GIMP. Partha has builds that include many useful photographic plugins/scripts that may help your workflow out as well:

http://www.partha.com/

When you do get around to trying it again, please don't hesitate to drop back in and ask any questions. I'd be happy to help where I can!

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 1:36 PM, physoc wrote:

Thanks for the extensive reply and tips. I may try again in a week or two when
I've 'recovered' from the initial setback and frustration, and who knows I may
find that I've been totally wrong in my impression of usefulness. Regards, Tony

I feel that perhaps you may be a bit misguided in your interpretation of
GIMP.

There are plenty of us who use it daily for high end photographic retouching and editing. Like most things worth using, it may take a little
time to become accustomed to the methods and interface. Being initially
confusing to you doesn't necessarily make it any less of a program in terms
of capability or performance.

GIMP is aimed at raster image manipulation. It is more than capable for
the just about any photo editing you may want to do (with few exceptions).
I personally am willing to guess that it will do anything you personally
need to do in Ps.

GIMP will not read RAW files directly, but neither will Ps, just FYI. Ps
uses Adobe Camera RAW to first 'develop' the image, then passes it to Ps
for editing. In the same way, GIMP can use a RAW processor to first develop the image, then open it (of course, you have a nice choice of RAW
processors to choose from in the F/OSS world).

btw, if you are not actually developing your RAW files in ACR first, you're
already losing a huge chunk of control right out of the gate. Seriously.

For instance, my own workflow has me opening/editing RAW files in RawTherapee, which I then pass directly (and easily) into my GIMP sessions.

If it helps, I personally write tutorials specifically targeted at GIMP for
photographic retouching/editing. Perhaps walking through a couple of tutorials may help you wrap your head around the concepts that are different than what you might be used to?

http://blog.patdavid.net/p/getting-around-in-gimp.html

Also, I might suggest looking into a different location for downloading
your version of GIMP. Partha has builds that include many useful photographic plugins/scripts that may help your workflow out as well:

http://www.partha.com/

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On 13-08-16 01:53 PM, physoc wrote:

Well mainly because it won't load my Nikon RAW files.

You need to install the UFraw or dcraw plug-ins for GIMP to load Nikon RAW files. I use dcraw and I have no problem with Nikon RAW files from my D3100.

Cheers!

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În data de Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:08:45 +0200, Michael Schumacher a scris:

Simon, the phase appears at the bottom of this very page on GIMPUSERS.com....at www.getgimp.com

Yep, this is some dubious download site. Note the "launches DownloadAdmin™, which will mange your installation process." in that site's fine print, that means that you can be tricked into installing potentially malicious software alongside GIMP.

Something is indeed dubious there.

If you click on the big "download gimp", it will download a gimp-setup.exe file which contains – among other things – some LuaSocket related files. Lua language provides access to TCP, UDP, etc. protocols. As GIMP has nothing to do with this, at least not at install time, it is likely something spam-related, if not worse.

If you go at the bottom, click on About Us and then click the same big "download gimp", then it will download version 2.6.11 from Sourceforge. Clearly they have a flaw in their own spam system :)

To summarize, best thing to do is to download GIMP from its official site, which is http://www.gimp.org. A trusted alternative for Windows version is to download the package from http://www.partha.com site, which includes some plugins right from the start. Probably UFraw is included, which helps you load your Nikon RAW files (this is just a guess, you should check for yourself).

Cristi

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On 8/17/2013 12:41 PM, Burnie West wrote:

On 08/16/2013 11:31 AM, Simon Budig wrote:

I believe it to be a bad idea that mails from"forums@gimpusers.com" are allowed on this mailinglist, it just confuses things.

+1

Especially if the gimp that gimpusers is installing includes a bunch of crudware and the customer's think that we're technical support for that.

On 08/16/2013 11:31 AM, Simon Budig wrote:

I believe it to be a bad idea that mails from"forums@gimpusers.com" are allowed on this mailinglist, it just confuses things.

+1

Am 17.08.2013 20:40, schrieb John Meyer:

On 8/17/2013 12:41 PM, Burnie West wrote:

On 08/16/2013 11:31 AM, Simon Budig wrote:

I believe it to be a bad idea that mails from"forums@gimpusers.com" are allowed on this mailinglist, it just confuses things.

+1

Especially if the gimp that gimpusers is installing includes a bunch of crudware and the customer's think that we're technical support for that.

This is a misleading statement. Please re-read what I wrote about their use of ad services. It's the ad banners that point people to dubious sites, not the download at gimpforums.*

Regards,
Michael

My mistake. Still, a redirector on that site is pointing to a download with additional software.

On 8/17/2013 1:01 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Am 17.08.2013 20:40, schrieb John Meyer:

On 8/17/2013 12:41 PM, Burnie West wrote:

On 08/16/2013 11:31 AM, Simon Budig wrote:

I believe it to be a bad idea that mails from"forums@gimpusers.com" are allowed on this mailinglist, it just confuses things.

+1

Especially if the gimp that gimpusers is installing includes a bunch of crudware and the customer's think that we're technical support for that.

This is a misleading statement. Please re-read what I wrote about their use of ad services. It's the ad banners that point people to dubious sites, not the download at gimpforums.*

On 08/17/2013 09:01 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Especially if the gimp that gimpusers is installing includes a bunch of crudware and the customer's think that we're technical support for that.

This is a misleading statement. Please re-read what I wrote about their use of ad services. It's the ad banners that point people to dubious sites, not the download at gimpforums.*

I think you mean GimpUsers.*. AFAIK there are no ads on GimpForums.

On 18.08.2013 02:54, Ofnuts wrote:

On 08/17/2013 09:01 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Especially if the gimp that gimpusers is installing includes a bunch of crudware and the customer's think that we're technical support for that.

This is a misleading statement. Please re-read what I wrote about their use of ad services. It's the ad banners that point people to dubious sites, not the download at gimpforums.*

I think you mean GimpUsers.*. AFAIK there are no ads on GimpForums.

Yes, I'm starting to confuse all these sites myself. Maybe this means that there are too many already?

Regards,
Michael

This has gone WAY off topic. To get back on topic, now it takes at least half an hour for GIMP to start up for me. I can think of nothing that has changed since the time when it only took 2 minutes to start up every time. Now it's almost as if the process of querying every plugin at start up, has to wait for each query to time out. I uninstalled and re-installed GIMP but it didn't have any effect.

Any idea when there will be a new release? I'd like to use GIMP but I just can't with such a long delay at start up.

I just started using GIMP. I like it so far but this query of plugins at startup bug takes about 2 minutes every single time I start up GIMP. I hope there is a fix for it soon.

I'm running Windows XP with GIMP 2.8.6

physoc writes:

physoc (forums@gimpusers.com) wrote: Uh, where do you see that? Certainly not on www.gimp.org, or?

Sounds like some dubious download site, because we gimp developers certainly can think of scenarios where paying for your photo editing software makes a lot of sense.

Bye, Simon

Simon, the phase appears at the bottom of this very page on GIMPUSERS.com....at www.getgimp.com

Would trademarking help with getting rid of these dubious sites?

Kevin Brubeck Unhammer

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