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UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder kzibart 10 Jan 14:58
  UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder kzibart 10 Jan 18:41
   UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Zou 05 Dec 17:46
    UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder kzibart 05 Dec 18:33
     UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Zou 05 Dec 19:37
      UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Jehan Pagès 05 Dec 20:03
       UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Zou 05 Dec 20:30
        UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder kzibart 06 Dec 18:58
         UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Jehan Pagès 07 Dec 07:24
          UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder kzibart 07 Dec 19:01
           UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Michael Schumacher 08 Dec 00:57
            UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Jehan Pagès 08 Dec 02:11
             UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder kzibart 08 Dec 04:20
              UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Jehan Pagès 08 Dec 05:31
           UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Gunold Brunbauer 08 Dec 09:42
            UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Gunold Brunbauer 08 Dec 09:48
             UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Pat David 08 Dec 14:35
              UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Michael Schumacher 08 Dec 14:52
               UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 22 Dec 22:34
                UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Michael Schumacher 22 Dec 22:37
                 UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 22 Dec 23:37
                UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Zou 22 Dec 23:47
                 UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 23 Dec 01:03
                  UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder JanKardel 24 Dec 10:00
                   UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 24 Dec 16:10
                    UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder kzibart 24 Dec 16:17
                     UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder JanKardel 04 Jan 17:37
                      UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 18 Jan 18:24
                       UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Jernej Simončič 18 Jan 23:33
                        UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Jehan Pagès 19 Jan 02:55
                         UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Michael Schumacher 19 Jan 11:59
                          UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Jehan Pagès 20 Jan 00:52
                           UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Michael Schumacher 20 Jan 01:08
                            UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 03 Feb 21:27
                             UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 03 Feb 21:32
                             UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Michael Schumacher 03 Feb 21:36
                              UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 03 Feb 22:24
                               UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder JanKardel 07 Feb 16:55
                                UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 07 Feb 17:03
                                 UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 19 Feb 16:21
                                  UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder kzibart 19 Feb 16:59
                                   UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Michael Schumacher 19 Feb 17:34
                                   UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Jehan Pagès 20 Feb 00:00
                                    UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder kzibart 20 Feb 01:55
                                     UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 20 Feb 19:57
                                      UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 20 Feb 20:11
                                  UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Michael Schumacher 19 Feb 17:24
                                   UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 19 Feb 20:28
  UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder hmx 08 Aug 00:15
   UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Michael Schumacher 08 Aug 00:35
    UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder hmx 08 Aug 18:40
     UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder hmx 08 Aug 20:37
      UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Ishatix 20 Aug 10:07
       UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Jehan Pagès 20 Aug 17:02
        UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Ishatix 20 Aug 17:45
         UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Ishatix 20 Aug 18:03
          UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Jehan Pagès 20 Aug 18:53
           UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Ishatix 21 Aug 06:44
            UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Mangosniper 21 Aug 18:47
             UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Powerpuncher 22 Aug 11:21
              UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Michael Schumacher 22 Aug 15:00
               UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder Jehan Pagès 23 Aug 10:42
2013-01-10 14:58:10 UTC (about 11 years ago)
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The problem I'm having is apparently not common, as I'm sure there would be huge outcry if it were. But I just can't figure out how to resolve it.

Sometime shortly after I upgraded from 2.6.? to 2.8.2, but not immediately, I lost the ability to drag and drop elements in the user interface. For example, if I have multiple layers and I want to reorder them, I can't simply drag one to a new position. Clicking and dragging seems to be working. The layer starts to follow the mouse. But there is no indication under the mouse of where it will end up (no black line showing between layers). And when I release the mouse button, nothing happens. The layers remain in their original order.

A similar issue exists for docked dialogs. If I want to reorder the tabs of docked dialogs, like tool options, layers, paths, etc., I click and drag one to a new location. But instead of reordering them, it simply undocks the one I tried to move. And I can't re-dock it. It always just moves the individual dialog window to the new location.

One other possibly related issue is that I have problems using the buttons in these dialogs. The first time I click a button, like the "new layer" button, it usually works. But after that, no buttons work. Clicking them just selects them (dashed box around them) but do not activate them. Pressing ENTER at that point does activate the button, but clicking has no effect. If GIMP loses focus (I click the desktop or some other window), then the next button click within GIMP works fine again, but then subsequent ones do not.

I run GIMP on two separate Windows PCs, and this is only happening on one of them. On the affected PC, I've uninstalled and reinstalled GIMP, rebooted, even completely deleted the .gimp-2.8 directory in case there was some odd, lingering corruption. I even reverted back to GIMP 2.6.12 and it doesn't work there now either. So it would seem to be a more generic issue and not necessarily directly related to GIMP. But I use this PC extensively for many tasks throughout the day, and nothing else seems to be affected.

I guess I'm hoping someone here has experienced something similar or at least has some ideas of what to try next. Thanks for any feedback you can provide.

2013-01-10 18:41:42 UTC (about 11 years ago)
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I have restored full functionality again. It was apparently a Windows update, probably KB2785220. After posting here, I recalled recently seeing a notification that Windows had installed new updates, and it was about the same time when drag and drop stopped working in GIMP. So I tried multiple times to perform a system restore from before the updates, but that never worked (I actually had to run the startup repair tool to even get Windows booting again after that fiasco). So then I started uninstalling the updates one by one, checking GIMP after each reboot, and it started working again after uninstalling that update. I have no idea why "MS13-006: Vulnerabilities in Microsoft SSL implementation could allow security feature bypass: January 8, 2013" would cause this problem, but hopefully if someone else is suffering from this issue, they can find this thread and fix it like I did.

The only other update I uninstalled was KB2786400. It reads, "An update is available that changes the default settings of the shaping behavior for Arabic text rendering in Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2." Again, I don't see a connection to drag and drop in GIMP, and the issue did not go away after rebooting from uninstalling this update, so I don't think it was the issue.

2013-12-05 17:46:02 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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I have exactly the same problem ; drag and drop issue on the gimp windows (the most boring is in the layer dialog window) ; and your issue description is really accurate.

So I try to uninstall both of the windows 7 update (KB2785220 and kb2786400) but this didn't solve the problem :(

2013-12-05 18:33:34 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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I have exactly the same problem ; drag and drop issue on the gimp windows (the most boring is in the layer dialog window) ; and your issue description is really accurate.

So I try to uninstall both of the windows 7 update (KB2785220 and kb2786400) but this didn't solve the problem :(

Yeah, it only fixed it for me for about a week. I checked and neither update had been reapplied, so I don't know why it broke again. Until your reply, I hadn't heard of anyone else with this problem. I've actually learned some tricks to get around some of the issues, like clicking on UI elements and then pressing the space bar to activate them (what clicking was supposed to do in the first place). And reordering layers can be done through the Layers menu. I do most of my work on another computer now that doesn't have this issue though.

2013-12-05 19:37:48 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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Yeah, it only fixed it for me for about a week. I checked and neither update had been reapplied, so I don't know why it broke again. Until your reply, I hadn't heard of anyone else with this problem. I've actually learned some tricks to get around some of the issues, like clicking on UI elements and then pressing the space bar to activate them (what clicking was supposed to do in the first place). And reordering layers can be done through the Layers menu. I do most of my work on another computer now that doesn't have this issue though.

Thx for your quick reply.

Yes I also found some shortcut to manipulate layer but now I'm stuck. I have to manipulate a lot of layer and I would like to store some of them in different layer groups but it's seems there is no possibility to move them in a group without drag-and-drop :(

Jehan Pagès
2013-12-05 20:03:02 UTC (over 10 years ago)

UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder

Hi all,

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:37 AM, Zou wrote:

Yeah, it only fixed it for me for about a week. I checked and neither update had been reapplied, so I don't know why it broke again. Until your reply, I hadn't heard of anyone else with this problem. I've actually learned some tricks to get around some of the issues, like clicking on UI elements and then pressing the space bar to activate them (what clicking was supposed to do in the first place). And reordering layers can be done through the Layers menu. I do most of my work on another computer now that doesn't have this issue though.

Thx for your quick reply.

Yes I also found some shortcut to manipulate layer but now I'm stuck. I have to manipulate a lot of layer and I would like to store some of them in different layer groups but it's seems there is no possibility to move them in a group without drag-and-drop :(

Does it happen even after restarting GIMP? Or that's working at first, then at some point the drag and drop stops working, but when you restart, it works again?
And also could you try later GIMP version? You can get GIMP 2.8.10 on our FTP:
ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/windows/gimp-2.8.10-setup.exe

I remember to have fixed some drag and drop issue for GIMP on Windows in a later version (not sure which, maybe 2.8.6 or 2.8.8, but definitely later than your 2.8.2). The bug description was different though, so I'm unsure this is related, but it is better to check with the last version to make sure.
Enjoy,

Jehan

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2013-12-05 20:30:23 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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Hi all,
Does it happen even after restarting GIMP? Or that's working at first, then at some point the drag and drop stops working, but when you restart, it works again?
And also could you try later GIMP version? You can get GIMP 2.8.10 on our FTP:
ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/windows/gimp-2.8.10-setup.exe

I remember to have fixed some drag and drop issue for GIMP on Windows in a later version (not sure which, maybe 2.8.6 or 2.8.8, but definitely later than your 2.8.2). The bug description was different though, so I'm unsure this is related, but it is better to check with the last version to make sure.
Enjoy,

Jehan

It happen directly when starting Gimp (open a existing or blank project). Actually it's been a while since I use the UI drag-and-drop (Note : I can d-n-d from an outside source. It's only the user interface (UI) drag-n-drop isn't working. See the issue description by kzibart on the 1st post).

In my case I'm using 2.8.10 before I was on 2.8.8 and I already try with 2.6.12 (each time I delete the .gimp folder) but without any success.

2013-12-06 18:58:40 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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I just installed 2.8.10 and saw no improvement. I still could not drag and drop layers, and when I tried to reorder dialog tabs, it would only undock them (same as before). I confirmed I was on 2.8.10 from the Help, About dialog. But before replying here, I decided to get a quick screen capture of the issues if possible. So I installed a Microsoft utility called ScreenRecorder and fired it up. I resized my GIMP window to be considerably smaller and moved it to my second monitor, and then I started recording the window and proceeded to try dragging layers and reordering tabs. The odd thing is, everything worked flawlessly! Even changing tools worked without having to hit the space bar after clicking.

I stopped recording and went back to full screen on my main monitor, and things still worked. I closed GIMP and reopened it, and again things still worked. I tried a half dozen times, and as of right now I'm unable to recreate my issues. Of course, this has happened before, so it's possible the issues will resurface at some point. As for why it started working all of a sudden, I don't really know. When I installed the ScreenRecorder utility, it also installed Windows Media Encoder 9. And it looks like the utility uses .Net Framework, but I didn't see any signs of it updating that during installation.

Jehan Pagès
2013-12-07 07:24:55 UTC (over 10 years ago)

UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder

Hi,

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, kzibart wrote:

I just installed 2.8.10 and saw no improvement. I still could not drag and drop layers, and when I tried to reorder dialog tabs, it would only undock them (same as before). I confirmed I was on 2.8.10 from the Help, About dialog. But before replying here, I decided to get a quick screen capture of the issues if possible. So I installed a Microsoft utility called ScreenRecorder and fired it up. I resized my GIMP window to be considerably smaller and moved it to my second monitor, and then I started recording the window and proceeded to try dragging layers and reordering tabs. The odd thing is, everything worked flawlessly! Even changing tools worked without having to hit the space bar after clicking.

I stopped recording and went back to full screen on my main monitor, and things still worked. I closed GIMP and reopened it, and again things still worked. I tried a half dozen times, and as of right now I'm unable to recreate my issues. Of course, this has happened before, so it's possible the issues will resurface at some point. As for why it started working all of a sudden, I don't really know. When I installed the ScreenRecorder utility, it also installed Windows Media Encoder 9. And it looks like the utility uses .Net Framework, but I didn't see any signs of it updating that during installation.

Hmmm.... ok well tell us if this reappears. And if you can find any specific reproduction procedure or hint at how to make it fail would help. But right now, I have no idea. Regards,

Jehan

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2013-12-07 19:01:27 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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Hi,
Hmmm.... ok well tell us if this reappears. And if you can find any specific reproduction procedure or hint at how to make it fail would help. But right now, I have no idea. Regards,

Jehan

Well, the issues returned today, and I was able to capture them on video:

https://vimeo.com/81279958

In the video, you can see me trying to drag layers. As I do so, there is no black line indicating where they will end up when I release the mouse. And when I do release the mouse, nothing happens. Similarly, when I try to drag the Paths tab, it shows it being moved, but there is no indication of where it will land when I release the mouse. And releasing the mouse button just undocks it even though I'm over another tab. And I can't drag it back and dock it. Then I click on a few different tools. The first two clicks work, changing the tools. But subsequent clicks just outline the tool without switching to it.

After capturing the video, just before submitting this reply, I noticed that everything was working again. I hadn't even closed GIMP. It was the same session that I used to capture the video of the issues. Dragging layers, reordering tabs, clicking tools, all are working again. I think the inconsistency is the most frustrating thing. I have no idea what's breaking or fixing it. I can't find any pattern to it at all. I mean, it seems environmental, but GIMP is the only program affected. And I use this computer for lots of different things (Lightroom, Movie Studio, Inkscape, Blender, Chrome, gaming, etc.).

I appreciate your time, but unless I can identify a pattern or something, this seems like a lost cause. If I ever do determine what breaks or restores functionality, I'll be sure to report back. And if there's anything you'd like me to try, just let me know.

Michael Schumacher
2013-12-08 00:57:08 UTC (over 10 years ago)

UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder

On 07.12.2013 20:01, kzibart wrote:

Hmmm.... ok well tell us if this reappears. And if you can find any specific reproduction procedure or hint at how to make it fail would help. But right now, I have no idea.

Well, the issues returned today, and I was able to capture them on video:

After capturing the video, just before submitting this reply, I noticed that everything was working again. I hadn't even closed GIMP. It was the same session that I used to capture the video of the issues. Dragging layers, reordering tabs, clicking tools, all are working again.

We've got two bug reports with these symptoms:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710009

That one has originated from forums threads on gimpwerkstatt.de and gimpforum.de. It may be Windows 8-specific, and some of the research suggests that it could be related to some driver (as it doesn't happen in safe mode). No real cause has been determined yet, though.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719547

There isn't much information there yet. The mention of a problem with similar symptoms on an "old computer" could mean that this is is a different bug, or that the problem is not limited to the most recent Windows versions.

No fixes are available yet, although the bug reports mention some workarounds. Maybe one of the workarounds will help to narrow down the cause, too.

There have been reports about an influence of screen recording and capture applications Camtasia and SnagIt, maybe because they intercept windowing or mouse events. I have asked the affected users to contact that vendor (TechSmith in both cases) and make them aware of the problem, but I've not seen any feedback so far.

Regards,
Michael
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Jehan Pagès
2013-12-08 02:11:57 UTC (over 10 years ago)

UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder

Hi,

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

On 07.12.2013 20:01, kzibart wrote:

Hmmm.... ok well tell us if this reappears. And if you can find any specific reproduction procedure or hint at how to make it fail would help. But right now, I have no idea.

Well, the issues returned today, and I was able to capture them on video:

After capturing the video, just before submitting this reply, I noticed that everything was working again. I hadn't even closed GIMP. It was the same session that I used to capture the video of the issues. Dragging layers, reordering tabs, clicking tools, all are working again.

We've got two bug reports with these symptoms:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710009

That one has originated from forums threads on gimpwerkstatt.de and gimpforum.de. It may be Windows 8-specific, and some of the research suggests that it could be related to some driver (as it doesn't happen in safe mode). No real cause has been determined yet, though.

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719547

There isn't much information there yet. The mention of a problem with similar symptoms on an "old computer" could mean that this is is a different bug, or that the problem is not limited to the most recent Windows versions.

No fixes are available yet, although the bug reports mention some workarounds. Maybe one of the workarounds will help to narrow down the cause, too.

There have been reports about an influence of screen recording and capture applications Camtasia and SnagIt, maybe because they intercept windowing or mouse events. I have asked the affected users to contact that vendor (TechSmith in both cases) and make them aware of the problem, but I've not seen any feedback so far.

Michael may be on to something. It didn't work while you were recording a screencast, but it did as soon as you stopped the screencast. Maybe your screencast program intercepts some mouse events.
Of course I imagine you don't use the screencast software every day. So the question is: why doesn't it work these times? Well maybe it also installed a service always run in background? In any case, could you try this again:
1/ run the screencast program, check that dnd does not work. 2/ quit the screencast program, check that dnd works.

If you can reproduce this every time, then there is probably a very good lead to follow there.

Jehan

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2013-12-08 04:20:22 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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Hi,
Michael may be on to something. It didn't work while you were recording a screencast, but it did as soon as you stopped the screencast. Maybe your screencast program intercepts some mouse events.
Of course I imagine you don't use the screencast software every day. So the question is: why doesn't it work these times? Well maybe it also installed a service always run in background? In any case, could you try this again:
1/ run the screencast program, check that dnd does not work. 2/ quit the screencast program, check that dnd works.

If you can reproduce this every time, then there is probably a very good lead to follow there.

Jehan

Thanks for the replies. I read through both of those bug reports, and the symptoms as described could be the same that I'm seeing periodically. I did try your recommendation, and the bug does occur when I am running the screen capture application (Camstudio Recorder in my case; the earlier ScreenRecorder didn't work for me). And when I stop recording, the issues go away and things work again. I started and stopped recording twice, and it was consistent both times.

However, as you supposed, this issue has been bugging me for over a year, and I don't regularly make a point of recording my screen. I think I installed a trial of FRAPS once in the past for other reasons, but otherwise this weekend was my first time attempting to record a GIMP session. Maybe I have spyware capturing my screen all the time that I'm not aware of!

I went through my installed programs to see if I had anything else that may be interfering with the mouse or doing anything similar to screen capture. Nothing stood out. I have a Logitech Unifying wireless trackball and keyboard, and I also keep another wireless keyboard and mouse combo device plugged in. I regularly unplug the Unifying USB dongle to use it in another computer. Maybe switching that around has something to do with it? I'll keep that in mind the next time things stop working.

Jehan Pagès
2013-12-08 05:31:42 UTC (over 10 years ago)

UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder

Hi,

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:20 PM, kzibart wrote:

Hi,
Michael may be on to something. It didn't work while you were recording a screencast, but it did as soon as you stopped the screencast. Maybe your screencast program intercepts some mouse events.
Of course I imagine you don't use the screencast software every day. So the question is: why doesn't it work these times? Well maybe it also installed a service always run in background? In any case, could you try this again:
1/ run the screencast program, check that dnd does not work. 2/ quit the screencast program, check that dnd works.

If you can reproduce this every time, then there is probably a very good lead to follow there.

Jehan

Thanks for the replies. I read through both of those bug reports, and the symptoms as described could be the same that I'm seeing periodically. I did try your recommendation, and the bug does occur when I am running the screen capture application (Camstudio Recorder in my case; the earlier ScreenRecorder didn't work for me). And when I stop recording, the issues go away and things work again. I started and stopped recording twice, and it was consistent both times.

Well that's a good finding.

However, as you supposed, this issue has been bugging me for over a year, and I don't regularly make a point of recording my screen. I think I installed a trial of FRAPS once in the past for other reasons, but otherwise this weekend was my first time attempting to record a GIMP session. Maybe I have spyware capturing my screen all the time that I'm not aware of!

I have been thinking about this too indeed! It might be a bugged spyware which gave itself away by blocking some mouse events. And somehow when you activate and stop your screencast software, it would interfere with this spyware software (since screencast also need to grab mouse events, for good reasons this time though). That's actually another possibility indeed.
But that may also be just another legitimate program which does something with the mouse. Who knows? I have no idea how to list what programs listen for mouse events.

I went through my installed programs to see if I had anything else that may be interfering with the mouse or doing anything similar to screen capture. Nothing

Well *if* that is a spyware, it would likely not show up as an installed program. What you can also do is to check the list of processes running (but then, who knows what are even half of the processes anyway, especially on Windows!).

In any case, I wish you good luck in searching the reason of this problem. If you ever find it, don't hesitate to post here about what was the problem. Thanks.

Jehan

stood out. I have a Logitech Unifying wireless trackball and keyboard, and I also keep another wireless keyboard and mouse combo device plugged in. I regularly unplug the Unifying USB dongle to use it in another computer. Maybe switching that around has something to do with it? I'll keep that in mind the next time things stop working.

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Gunold Brunbauer
2013-12-08 09:42:17 UTC (over 10 years ago)

UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder

I confirm this behavior of GIMP. When Im capturing a video (I use the program Snagit) I see that drag and drop doesnt work. As far as a stop SangIt drag and drop works fine.
Gunold

Am 07.12.2013 20:01, schrieb kzibart:

Hi,
Hmmm.... ok well tell us if this reappears. And if you can find any specific reproduction procedure or hint at how to make it fail would help. But right now, I have no idea. Regards,

Jehan

Well, the issues returned today, and I was able to capture them on video:

https://vimeo.com/81279958

In the video, you can see me trying to drag layers. As I do so, there is no black line indicating where they will end up when I release the mouse. And when I do release the mouse, nothing happens. Similarly, when I try to drag the Paths tab, it shows it being moved, but there is no indication of where it will land when I release the mouse. And releasing the mouse button just undocks it even though I'm over another tab. And I can't drag it back and dock it. Then I click on a few different tools. The first two clicks work, changing the tools. But subsequent clicks just outline the tool without switching to it.

After capturing the video, just before submitting this reply, I noticed that everything was working again. I hadn't even closed GIMP. It was the same session that I used to capture the video of the issues. Dragging layers, reordering tabs, clicking tools, all are working again. I think the inconsistency is the most frustrating thing. I have no idea what's breaking or fixing it. I can't find any pattern to it at all. I mean, it seems environmental, but GIMP is the only program affected. And I use this computer for lots of different things (Lightroom, Movie Studio, Inkscape, Blender, Chrome, gaming, etc.).

I appreciate your time, but unless I can identify a pattern or something, this seems like a lost cause. If I ever do determine what breaks or restores functionality, I'll be sure to report back. And if there's anything you'd like me to try, just let me know.

Gunold Brunbauer
2013-12-08 09:48:13 UTC (over 10 years ago)

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Am 08.12.2013 10:42, schrieb Gunold Brunbauer:

I confirm this behavior of GIMP. When Im capturing a video (I use the program Snagit) I see that drag and drop doesnt work. As far as a stop SangIt drag and drop works fine. Gunold

Am 07.12.2013 20:01, schrieb kzibart:

Hi,
Hmmm.... ok well tell us if this reappears. And if you can find any specific reproduction procedure or hint at how to make it fail would help. But right now, I have no idea. Regards,

Jehan

Well, the issues returned today, and I was able to capture them on video:

https://vimeo.com/81279958

In the video, you can see me trying to drag layers. As I do so, there is no
black line indicating where they will end up when I release the mouse. And when
I do release the mouse, nothing happens. Similarly, when I try to drag the
Paths tab, it shows it being moved, but there is no indication of where it will
land when I release the mouse. And releasing the mouse button just undocks it
even though I'm over another tab. And I can't drag it back and dock it. Then I
click on a few different tools. The first two clicks work, changing the tools.
But subsequent clicks just outline the tool without switching to it.

After capturing the video, just before submitting this reply, I noticed that
everything was working again. I hadn't even closed GIMP. It was the same
session that I used to capture the video of the issues. Dragging layers, reordering tabs, clicking tools, all are working again. I think the inconsistency is the most frustrating thing. I have no idea what's breaking or
fixing it. I can't find any pattern to it at all. I mean, it seems environmental, but GIMP is the only program affected. And I use this computer
for lots of different things (Lightroom, Movie Studio, Inkscape, Blender,
Chrome, gaming, etc.).

I appreciate your time, but unless I can identify a pattern or something, this
seems like a lost cause. If I ever do determine what breaks or restores functionality, I'll be sure to report back. And if there's anything you'd like
me to try, just let me know.

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By the way: I tried this on two different computers: One with Windows 7 and one with windows vista: The behavior is always the same

Pat David
2013-12-08 14:35:34 UTC (over 10 years ago)

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I finally managed to contact the camstudio team and report this problem, but I have yet to hear back from them regarding this issue.

I do not have this problem unless I am trying to record a screencast with camstudio.

(Note that this is different than camtasia/tech smith).

pat david
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Michael Schumacher
2013-12-08 14:52:42 UTC (over 10 years ago)

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On 08.12.2013 15:35, Pat David wrote:

I finally managed to contact the camstudio team and report this problem, but I have yet to hear back from them regarding this issue.

(Note that this is different than camtasia/tech smith).

They also got a forum - and an entry about that exact problem, http://camstudio.org/forum/discussion/1117

Not much to see there, though.

Regards,
Michael
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2013-12-22 22:34:13 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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I also have this problem and after hours of deinstalling and disabling programs, I think I found the cause for this problem. At least on my machine. It is my antivirus program. Kaspersky Anti-Virus 2013. When I close it, the drag and drop works again. When I start it up again, drag and drop stops working. I'm going to cantact Kaspersky regarding this issue.

Michael Schumacher
2013-12-22 22:37:21 UTC (about 10 years ago)

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On 22.12.2013 23:34, Powerpuncher wrote:

I'm going to cantact Kaspersky regarding this issue.

Thanks.

Lots of users never consider this at all (out of an "they are big and commercial and can't be at fault"-attitude?), so it is really refreshing to see an opposite approach :)

Regards,
Michael
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2013-12-22 23:37:31 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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Thanks.

Lots of users never consider this at all (out of an "they are big and commercial and can't be at fault"-attitude?), so it is really refreshing
to see an opposite approach :)

Well to me it is pretty obvious that Kaspersky is the problem, because I have the exact same issue in Inkscape which also uses GTK+. And I've tried it with several different versions of it, too. That makes it quite unprobable that Gimp or Inkscape or GTK+ is the problem.

2013-12-22 23:47:46 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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I also have this problem and after hours of deinstalling and disabling programs, I think I found the cause for this problem. At least on my machine.
It is my antivirus program. Kaspersky Anti-Virus 2013. When I close it, the drag and drop works again. When I start it up again, drag and drop stops working.
I'm going to cantact Kaspersky regarding this issue.

Yep! That's it !

I've also Kapsersky (2014 for me). I open gimps project and impossible to move layers and when I close Kaspersky all is fine, I can rearrange tab and layers :)

Big Thanks Powerpuncher :)

2013-12-23 01:03:39 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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Yep! That's it !

I've also Kapsersky (2014 for me). I open gimps project and impossible to move layers and when I close Kaspersky all is fine, I can rearrange tab and layers :)

Big Thanks Powerpuncher :)

I actually have 2014 as well, it was just a typo xD Glad I could help ;)

2013-12-24 10:00:40 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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I actually have 2014 as well, it was just a typo xD Glad I could help ;)

Hello,

Thank you for the Tip with Kaspersky.

we found also a way to solved the Problem, albeit in a roundabout way.

I try to explain:

I open Windows Control Panel/Display. Then I switch Clear Type text off and then on again. Then I changed the Text Size of Menu to 11 and then back to 9.

The Window Control Panel/Display must still be open.

When I now started GIMP, drag and drop works as it should.

Now I can close the Window Control Panel/Display, and as long as I do not close GIMP, everything works fine.

But when I close GIMP when the Window Control Panel/Display is closed the Drag and Drop Problem is still there.

BTW: 2.8.10 has the same Problem on this System as 2.8.8

I hope it is understandable.

Merry X-mas

2013-12-24 16:10:13 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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Hello,

Thank you for the Tip with Kaspersky.

we found also a way to solved the Problem, albeit in a roundabout way.

I try to explain:

I open Windows Control Panel/Display. Then I switch Clear Type text off and then on again. Then I changed the Text Size of Menu to 11 and then back to 9.

The Window Control Panel/Display must still be open.

When I now started GIMP, drag and drop works as it should.

Now I can close the Window Control Panel/Display, and as long as I do not close
GIMP, everything works fine.

But when I close GIMP when the Window Control Panel/Display is closed the Drag
and Drop Problem is still there.

BTW: 2.8.10 has the same Problem on this System as 2.8.8

I hope it is understandable.

Merry X-mas

I've already tried that and it doesn't work under windows 7. Thanks anyway^^ Happy holidays

2013-12-24 16:17:41 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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I still don't know what all causes this problem for me. I've never used Kaspersky. I used AVG until recently, just switching to Microsoft Security Essentials. The change didn't seem to impact the issue. I also use Inkscape from time to time, and I haven't experienced a problem with it's interface before. Just last night I had the UI issue show up in Gimp, so I opened Inkscape to see if it was affected as well. It wasn't, but then I opened Gimp again and everything was fine there too. It's just so inconsistent for me.

2014-01-04 17:37:10 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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I updated my Kaspersky AV 2012 to Kaspersky AV 2014 on my Windows 7 Netbook.

That wasn't a good Idea!

Now have also the Drag and Drop Problem on my Netbook!

I am not lucky...

2014-01-18 18:24:12 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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It's almost a month since I contacted the Kaspersky support and they haven't answered, yet. Which is very weak of them! I'm really dissappointed of them and I think I will switch my AV when my license runs out. I will keep you updated if and when they decide to answer my request.

Jernej Simončič
2014-01-18 23:33:09 UTC (about 10 years ago)

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On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 19:24:12 +0100, Powerpuncher wrote:

It's almost a month since I contacted the Kaspersky support and they haven't answered, yet. Which is very weak of them! I'm really dissappointed of them and I think I will switch my AV when my license runs out. I will keep you updated if and when they decide to answer my request.

Perhaps we'll have to add a warning on the download page that Kaspersky breaks GIMP, and users should avoid it. It worked in the past...

< Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://eternallybored.org/ >
Jehan Pagès
2014-01-19 02:55:29 UTC (about 10 years ago)

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Hi,

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 19:24:12 +0100, Powerpuncher wrote:

It's almost a month since I contacted the Kaspersky support and they haven't answered, yet. Which is very weak of them! I'm really dissappointed of them and I think I will switch my AV when my license runs out. I will keep you updated if and when they decide to answer my request.

Perhaps we'll have to add a warning on the download page that Kaspersky breaks GIMP, and users should avoid it. It worked in the past...

I guess that makes sense. The message should be well worded, and as neutral as possible though. I am not for putting a blame on anyone. And it is not said that there is not something that we could do to work around the issue too.

But it could be a message in the line of "There is a known UI issue of drag'n drop failing on Windows when Kaspersky's antivirus is installed alongside GIMP. If you encounter such an issue, you are encouraged to report any information to Kaspersky [link] and on the GIMP tracker [link]. The only workaround known for the moment is to try and use another antivirus."

Or something like this. :-)

Jehan

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Michael Schumacher
2014-01-19 11:59:11 UTC (about 10 years ago)

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On 19.01.2014 03:55, Jehan Pagès wrote:

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:

Perhaps we'll have to add a warning on the download page that Kaspersky breaks GIMP, and users should avoid it. It worked in the past...

I guess that makes sense. The message should be well worded, and as neutral as possible though. I am not for putting a blame on anyone. And it is not said that there is not something that we could do to work around the issue too.

Preferably, we should contrast this warning with an example of FLOSS doing better, and there could just be such a chance.

Camstudio, a screen recording software, is released under the GNU GPL and has been reported to cause the same problems - someone already reported the issue to them:

http://camstudio.org/forum/discussion/1117/cannot-add-layer-to-layer-group-while-using-camstudio-2-6/p1

But Terry Britton states that, while being the maintainer of Camstudio, he is not a programmer (camstudio.org, A Plea For Help ...), and so the very specific inquiry in that forum post (does camstudio do anything to that list of libraries) was probably misleading. There seem to be some programmers around there, though.

So if we follow up on that post and point out that this is still an issue, we might get some nice research going on there.

Regards,
Michael
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Jehan Pagès
2014-01-20 00:52:18 UTC (about 10 years ago)

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Hi,

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

On 19.01.2014 03:55, Jehan Pagès wrote:

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:

Perhaps we'll have to add a warning on the download page that Kaspersky breaks GIMP, and users should avoid it. It worked in the past...

I guess that makes sense. The message should be well worded, and as neutral as possible though. I am not for putting a blame on anyone. And it is not said that there is not something that we could do to work around the issue too.

Preferably, we should contrast this warning with an example of FLOSS doing better, and there could just be such a chance.

Camstudio, a screen recording software, is released under the GNU GPL and has been reported to cause the same problems - someone already reported the issue to them:

http://camstudio.org/forum/discussion/1117/cannot-add-layer-to-layer-group-while-using-camstudio-2-6/p1

But Terry Britton states that, while being the maintainer of Camstudio, he is not a programmer (camstudio.org, A Plea For Help ...), and so the very specific inquiry in that forum post (does camstudio do anything to that list of libraries) was probably misleading. There seem to be some programmers around there, though.

So if we follow up on that post and point out that this is still an issue, we might get some nice research going on there.

You are right. I am mostly homeless and on the road these days though, and likely for the next 5 months or so. So my time is very limited. Thus I'll let other programmers look into this, unless the problem is still there when I'll settle again later. :-)

Jehan

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Michael Schumacher
2014-01-20 01:08:18 UTC (about 10 years ago)

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On 20.01.2014 01:52, Jehan Pagès wrote:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

On 19.01.2014 03:55, Jehan Pagès wrote:

Camstudio, a screen recording software, is released under the GNU GPL and has been reported to cause the same problems - someone already reported the issue to them:

http://camstudio.org/forum/discussion/1117/cannot-add-layer-to-layer-group-while-using-camstudio-2-6/p1

So if we follow up on that post and point out that this is still an issue, we might get some nice research going on there.

You are right. I am mostly homeless and on the road these days though, and likely for the next 5 months or so. So my time is very limited. Thus I'll let other programmers look into this, unless the problem is still there when I'll settle again later. :-)

I've sent a mail to Camstudio, pointed them to their forum post (and mentioned that it is likely to specific), and told them about this plan. Let's see if I get a reply.

Regards,
Michael
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2014-02-03 21:27:03 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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Alright I finally got a reply from Kaspersky:

Unfortunately ther were delays processing your request due to the increased interest in our Product. We are very sorry for the long wait and we apologize for any inconvenience.

Please perform the following steps:

1. Open the Kaspersky-Software
2. Click on "Options" -> "Advanced" -> "Dangers and Exceptions" -> "Manage Trustworthy Programs" 3. Click on "Add" -> "Search…" and add the according exe-file that is used to start the application. 4. Only check "Don't examine entire network traffic" 5. Close all windows with "Add"

The files you download will still be scanned by the "File Anti-Virus" component.<<<

Had to translate it from german so menu points are probably not named correctly.

Original message in german:

aufgrund der erhöhten Nachfrage nach unserem Produkt kam es leider zu Verzögerungen bei der Bearbeitung von Anfragen. Wir entschuldigen uns vielmals für die lange Wartezeit und bitten um Ihr Verständnis.

Bitte führen Sie folgende Schritte durch:

1. Öffnen Sie die Kaspersky-Software 2. Klicken Sie auf "Einstellungen" -> "Erweitert" -> "Gefahren und Ausnahmen" -> "Vertrauenswürdige Programme verwalten" 3. Fügen Sie durch einen Klick auf "Hinzufügen" -> "Durchsuchen…" die entsprechende exe-Datei, die Sie zum Aufrufen der Anwendung starten hinzu 4. Setzen Sie nach der Auswahl der Datei nur einen Haken bei dem Punkt "Nicht untersuchen gesamter Netzwerkverkehr" 5. Schließen Sie alle Fenster mit "Hinzufügen"

Die Dateien die Sie herunterladen, werden trotzdem von der Komponente „Datei Anti-Virus“ gescannt. <<<

2014-02-03 21:32:58 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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I should probably mention that it didn't work for me. I sent them a message saying so. Let the wait begin again.

Michael Schumacher
2014-02-03 21:36:37 UTC (about 10 years ago)

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On 03.02.2014 22:27, Powerpuncher wrote:

Alright I finally got a reply from Kaspersky:

Unfortunately ther were delays processing your request due to the increased interest in our Product. We are very sorry for the long wait and we apologize for any inconvenience.

Please perform the following steps:

1. Open the Kaspersky-Software
2. Click on "Options" -> "Advanced" -> "Dangers and Exceptions" -> "Manage Trustworthy Programs"
3. Click on "Add" -> "Search…" and add the according exe-file that is used to start the application.
4. Only check "Don't examine entire network traffic" 5. Close all windows with "Add"

The files you download will still be scanned by the "File Anti-Virus" component.<<<

This is basically a non-answer, a generic "if there is a problem, tell the customer to have our software ignore the app" setting.

And as you wrote in your second mail, it doesn't work for you.

Regards,
Michael
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2014-02-03 22:24:11 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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This is basically a non-answer, a generic "if there is a problem, tell the customer to have our software ignore the app" setting.

And as you wrote in your second mail, it doesn't work for you.

Yeah I figured as much. Maybe they'll go into it after another month of wait, but I really doubt it... Welp, guess the only thing I can do is wait for the 2015 version to come out and hope the problem doesn't exist in that version.

2014-02-07 16:55:03 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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This way of Kaspersky was the first thing I tried. He has since it does not work. # grrrr

I also believe that one has to wait for version 2015.

BTW: Still No Answer from Support!

2014-02-07 17:03:54 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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This way of Kaspersky was the first thing I tried. He has since it does not work. # grrrr

I also believe that one has to wait for version 2015.

BTW: Still No Answer from Support!

They asked me for more information yesterday. I had to run two protocolling programs that read my system information and such and they asked for screenshots of the problem. I didn't feel comfortable given them that information, but I figured they need it to properly debug. Now I'm waiting for their response.

2014-02-19 16:21:04 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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Alrighty, Kaspersky answered and they said it's a known bug and they are working on it. A fix won't be out soon though, they said. They recommend downgrading to the 2013 version until it's fixed. So I guess a little note on the download page would be appropriate now I guess.

2014-02-19 16:59:18 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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Alrighty, Kaspersky answered and they said it's a known bug and they are working on it. A fix won't be out soon though, they said. They recommend downgrading to the 2013 version until it's fixed. So I guess a little note on the download page would be appropriate now I guess.

Just keep in mind, Kaspersky's product is only one of apparently multiple that cause this problem. I still haven't found what is causing it on my system (I've never installed Kaspersky's product). So I still think this needs to be addressed by the GIMP team, or whoever is responsible for the common UI used by GIMP and other programs like Inkscape, as that seems to be where the incompatibility lies.

Michael Schumacher
2014-02-19 17:24:47 UTC (about 10 years ago)

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An: gimp-user-list@gnome.org

Alrighty, Kaspersky answered and they said it's a known bug and they are working on it. A fix won't be out soon though, they said. They recommend downgrading to the 2013 version until it's fixed.

I thought their 2013 version is suspected (confirmed?) to cause this as well?

Regards,
Michael
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Michael Schumacher
2014-02-19 17:34:01 UTC (about 10 years ago)

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Von: kzibart

Just keep in mind, Kaspersky's product is only one of apparently multiple that cause this problem. I still haven't found what is causing it on my system (I've never installed Kaspersky's product).

Kaspersky, Camtasia, SnagIt and Camstudio have been confirmed, and I've read that TuneUp Utitilies is suspected to cause this as well.

Camstudio is promising, because this is FLOSS just like GIMP - but its history (Abandonware, rescued and now published by people without real insight into its workings*) is a bit discouraging.

So I still think this needs to be addressed by the GIMP team, or whoever is responsible for the common UI used by GIMP and other programs like Inkscape, as that seems to be where the incompatibility lies.

To avoid any misunderstanding, nobody disputes that GTK+ might be at fault here - but having a place to start from would make much more sense than poking at random places in the source code.

What I expect from one of the application creators mentioned above could for example be along the lines of "our app influences drag events $asfollows, check if you are handling $thingtohandle in your software/GTK+, as described in $urlofwindowseventsspec".

*From the Camstudio FAQ:

"'I have downloaded your source code and found them very interesting. Would you tell me how the function XXX in file YYY works ?'

Please do not direct technical questions related to the source code to us."

Regards,
Michael
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2014-02-19 20:28:01 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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I thought their 2013 version is suspected (confirmed?) to cause this as well?

No 2013 works just fine. I never had any problems with it blocking drag and drop.

Jehan Pagès
2014-02-20 00:00:12 UTC (about 10 years ago)

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Hi,

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 5:59 AM, kzibart wrote:

Alrighty, Kaspersky answered and they said it's a known bug and they are working on it. A fix won't be out soon though, they said. They recommend downgrading to the 2013 version until it's fixed. So I guess a little note on the download page would be appropriate now I guess.

Just keep in mind, Kaspersky's product is only one of apparently multiple that cause this problem. I still haven't found what is causing it on my system (I've never installed Kaspersky's product). So I still think this needs to be addressed by the GIMP team, or whoever is responsible for the common UI used by GIMP and other programs like Inkscape, as that seems to be where the incompatibility lies.

Well yes someone could look into this. Now I believe that's a Windows-only problem, right? So we come back to our problem of lack of Windows developers. Also there is not technically a bug here, so that makes it less urgent compared to other bigger bugs. Don't make me wrong, there is obviously a problem. But that only happens because some other programs are apparently messing with system events. And they reckon also that that's a bug on their side, as showed Kaspersky's answer.

So on our side, that's more of a "bypassing other program's bug" issue. Well it would still be good if someone did it. :-) And we are aware of it and don't intend on putting all the blame on others. But I just wanted to relativize the issue and why the chances of it being improved in a fast way by any of the GIMP developers are slim. But we welcome developers wanting to help faster on this, come on, we don't bite! :-)

Also I asked somewhere but didn't get any answer: does anyone who have the problem also have other GTK+ programs? And if so, do you also have the problem on the other GTK+ programs? This information is important as it could help us to target more efficiently if the issue comes from GIMP or GTK+ code.

Jehan

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2014-02-20 01:55:20 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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I wish I could help, but I seriously doubt GTK+ is coded in IBM z/OS assembler! And I fully understand that this is a low priority issue. When I first reported it over a year ago, I couldn't find a single other post about the issue. So I figure it must not be something common to many people. And in that year+, I've learned to work around the issues.

I thought I reported that Inkscape has this issue as well. The interface is somewhat different, but I have encountered buttons not activating on clicks, similar to what I experience in GIMP. If you know of other GTK+ applications built for Windows with similar UI elements, I'd be happy to install and test them out.

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If you know of other GTK+ applications built for Windows with similar UI elements, I'd be happy to install and test them out.

I found this: http://gtk-apps.org/ I'm gonna test some of these aswell since I have a different source for the problem.

2014-02-20 20:11:53 UTC (about 10 years ago)
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Alright tested the Banshee Media Player. It has the same type of "layer" GUI as GIMP and Inkscape and the problem is the exact same. So it seems like it is a problem with the API.

2014-08-08 00:15:28 UTC (over 9 years ago)
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I stumbled into the exact same problem yesterday: I could no longer drag n drop layers in the Layers Dialog. It happened immediately after a windows update updated my video drivers (AMD Radeon HD 6450), and although I hadn't realized it at that time, this is what caused the UI drag n drop problems in Gimp v2.8.6.

I discovered that when I re-installed the original video driver the UI problem was resolved, after having spent many hours re-installing Gimp, upgrading to Gimp v2.8.10, Installing and re-installing newer version video drivers for the HD 6450... then finally installing the ORIGINAL video drivers, and the UI problems disappeared. It would be nice to have the option of using up-to-date video drivers, so it would be nice to find out EXACTLY why this problem arises and find a resolution that will work with the new drivers. If any of you driver experts out there can figure this out, please post a reply. Until then, I will just keep hiding my windows updates for video drivers!

I know better than to let my backups get behind and not be able to just do a full system recovery, which probably actually would have ended up taking a lot more time, but I was lucky to have resolved the problem by re-installing the original video drivers. When I get the system backed up, I will do a full recovery and install the latest video drivers and then install Gimp and see if the UI problem occurs.

Michael Schumacher
2014-08-08 00:35:01 UTC (over 9 years ago)

UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder

On 08.08.2014 02:15, hmx wrote:

I discovered that when I re-installed the original video driver the UI problem was resolved, after having spent many hours re-installing Gimp, upgrading to Gimp v2.8.10, Installing and re-installing newer version video drivers for the HD 6450... then finally installing the ORIGINAL video drivers, and the UI problems disappeared. It would be nice to have the option of using up-to-date video drivers, so it would be nice to find out EXACTLY why this problem arises and find a resolution that will work with the new drivers. If any of you driver experts out there can figure this out, please post a reply. Until then, I will just keep hiding my windows updates for video drivers!

You should ask AMD if they have an idea why this may be happening.

Regards,
Michael
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2014-08-08 18:40:50 UTC (over 9 years ago)
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You should ask AMD if they have an idea why this may be happening.

I suppose so... My UI drag n drop just quit again. :( So... I fired up the laptop and installed Gimp and the UI worked fine... for a while... then it quit... about the same time windows update started up... the laptop has AMD Radeon HD 3200... hmmmph. RATZ!

2014-08-08 20:37:47 UTC (over 9 years ago)
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WELL...I should have made sure to read EVERY post in this thread... duhhhh....!

Kaspersky.

Geez! :/

Sure glad to have the problem fixed... looks like I need to find another Anti-Virus! :)

2014-08-20 10:07:38 UTC (over 9 years ago)
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Hi all,

I have encountered this same issue with GIMP 2.8 as well as the associated Inkscape interface problem (https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1131428) on my new Windows 8.1 work laptop.

After some investigation I have discovered that the interfering software in my case is the following AutoHotKey script: http://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Skrommel/DimScreen/DimScreen.ahk

Happily I do not make much use of this script on this laptop so have simply stopped using it as a workaround. However I have used this script for years (and still continue to) on two older Vista laptops without it causing this interference. So I guess there is more to this / additional Windows dependency.

I hope that helps the developers to narrow down the cause. Let me know if you would like any more details / tests.

All the best,

Ix

Jehan Pagès
2014-08-20 17:02:29 UTC (over 9 years ago)

UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder

Hi,

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Ishatix wrote:

Hi all,

I have encountered this same issue with GIMP 2.8 as well as the associated Inkscape interface problem (https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1131428) on my new Windows 8.1 work laptop.

Thanks for the report. The bug you linked though seems different. It deals with mouse focus, unresponsive buttons to mouse clicks, etc. On the other hand, the issue encountered by people on this thread is about not being able to drag and drop (layers, channels, and such) within GIMP anymore. Which one was yours? Unresponsive mouse clicks? Broken drag and drop? Both?

In any case, if it turns out to be the same issue as others here (broken drag and drop on both GIMP and Inkscape), that's very useful information. It means the bug is likely in GTK+.

After some investigation I have discovered that the interfering software in my case is the following AutoHotKey script: http://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Skrommel/DimScreen/DimScreen.ahk

This AutoHotkey stuff is apparently Free Software, so that's good news. It may help us investigate by seeing what it does. I'll still wait for you confirming that's the same drag'n drop issue first, because acknowledging this information though. I don't want to go on a wild-goose chase.
Thanks!

Jehan

Happily I do not make much use of this script on this laptop so have simply stopped using it as a workaround. However I have used this script for years (and still continue to) on two older Vista laptops without it causing this interference. So I guess there is more to this / additional Windows dependency.

I hope that helps the developers to narrow down the cause. Let me know if you would like any more details / tests.

All the best,

Ix

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2014-08-20 17:45:58 UTC (over 9 years ago)
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Hi,
Thanks for the report. The bug you linked though seems different. It deals with mouse focus, unresponsive buttons to mouse clicks, etc. On the other hand, the issue encountered by people on this thread is about not being able to drag and drop (layers, channels, and such) within GIMP anymore. Which one was yours? Unresponsive mouse clicks? Broken drag and drop? Both?

In any case, if it turns out to be the same issue as others here (broken drag and drop on both GIMP and Inkscape), that's very useful information. It means the bug is likely in GTK+. This AutoHotkey stuff is apparently Free Software, so that's good news. It may help us investigate by seeing what it does. I'll still wait for you confirming that's the same drag'n drop issue first, because acknowledging this information though. I don't want to go on a wild-goose chase.
Thanks!

Jehan

Hi Jehan,

As far as I can tell these are all the same issue / closely related. If you read through some of the other posts here there is also mention of unresponsive UI elements / unrecognised mouse clicks. I first noticed this problem with the vector graphic import dialogue in GIMP - I could not select different options after the first one. Although the work-arounds mentioned above (click on different window and back again, and use of space bar to confirm selection) helped. However I also confirmed that I suffered the same layer dragging problem as first mentioned. In addition this issue also is manifested as unresponsive tool bar icons in Inkscape. I believe therefore that all these problems are one and the same. Perhaps other people here can help confirm this. I am not a developer but your suggestion of a GTK+ issue sounds like it's on the right track. With regard to the AutoHotKey script - it applies an overlay to Windows to provide additional dimming functionality so I guess one could look into how it is interacting with the Windows UI to achieve this.

Hope that helps. Let me know if you would like any more info.

All the best,

Ix

2014-08-20 18:03:25 UTC (over 9 years ago)
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P.S. I am now on my home Vista laptop and things are not as simple as a I previously thought. I am actually also suffering the layer drag issue with the script activated here. However the import dialogue UI and Inkscape UI are both working on this machine regardless. Therefore it would seem that the UI selection issue may still be the same one that effects both GIMP and Inkscape, while the layer drag issue is rather a related issue but not exactly the same.

I've always just used the arrows for moving layers in GIMP which is why I never noticed this before.

Hope you can understand all that.

All the best,

Ix

Jehan Pagès
2014-08-20 18:53:34 UTC (over 9 years ago)

UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder

Hi,

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Ishatix wrote:

P.S. I am now on my home Vista laptop and things are not as simple as a I previously thought. I am actually also suffering the layer drag issue with the script activated here. However the import dialogue UI and Inkscape UI are both working on this machine regardless.

This is what I thought. It seemed to me (though I don't remember by heart all reports) that most reports were either for one or the other issues. They were not mixing both usually.

Therefore it would seem that the UI selection issue may still be the same one that effects both GIMP and Inkscape, while the layer drag issue is rather a related issue but not exactly the same.

So are you saying that the drag'n drop bug is GIMP-only, and you don't have any drag'n drop issue on any element of Inkscape UI?

I've always just used the arrows for moving layers in GIMP which is why I never noticed this before.

Hope you can understand all that.

Let me summarize:

- On the Windows 8 machine, you have both the selection AND the drag'n drop issue, and both problems are on GIMP AND on Inkscape. They both are "fixed" by uninstalling the AutoHotkey script.

- On the Vista machine, you have ONLY the drag'n drop issue, and it affects ONLY GIMP, NOT Inkscape. This is also fixed by uninstalling the AutoHotkey script.

Is that it?

Jehan

All the best,

Ix

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2014-08-21 06:44:29 UTC (over 9 years ago)
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Hi,
This is what I thought. It seemed to me (though I don't remember by heart all reports) that most reports were either for one or the other issues. They were not mixing both usually. So are you saying that the drag'n drop bug is GIMP-only, and you don't have any drag'n drop issue on any element of Inkscape UI? Let me summarize:

- On the Windows 8 machine, you have both the selection AND the drag'n drop issue, and both problems are on GIMP AND on Inkscape. They both are "fixed" by uninstalling the AutoHotkey script.

- On the Vista machine, you have ONLY the drag'n drop issue, and it affects ONLY GIMP, NOT Inkscape. This is also fixed by uninstalling the AutoHotkey script.

Is that it?

Jehan

Hi Jehan,

That's pretty much it except I'm not sure about the drag'n'drop issue being in Inkscape or not. I'm not very familiar with Inkscape so not sure what the equivalent problem would be here. It doesn't appear to have a layer dialogue which would facilitate dragging and dropping as in GIMP (or at least I can't see it). If there is something I can check in this regard let me know.

All the best,

Ix

2014-08-21 18:47:38 UTC (over 9 years ago)
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Hi Jehan,

That's pretty much it except I'm not sure about the drag'n'drop issue being in Inkscape or not. I'm not very familiar with Inkscape so not sure what the equivalent problem would be here. It doesn't appear to have a layer dialogue which would facilitate dragging and dropping as in GIMP (or at least I can't see it). If there is something I can check in this regard let me know.

All the best,

Ix

Hi guys,

since i found so much useful information in this thread i just registered here to share an interesting thing i discovert.

I had Kaspersky 2014 installed and after i read the first half of the topic i updated to the 2015 Version without any changes. So i can just say this is not the solution. But i had another idea. I have a programm running called sandboxie. It does what the name says, starting any programm in a sandbox located on the root of my C:\-Drive.

If i start Gimp in the sandbox the drag and drop works!

I edit the settings of this box so gimp has access on all my harddrives. If i would not do so, changes on any files would just happen in the box and would disappear after closing.

So if you want a quick workaround install sandboxie. It´s a bit inconvenient but works.

-Mangosniper-

2014-08-22 11:21:51 UTC (over 9 years ago)
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Hi guys,

since i found so much useful information in this thread i just registered here to share an interesting thing i discovert.

I had Kaspersky 2014 installed and after i read the first half of the topic i updated to the 2015 Version without any changes.

Can confirm, I just updated from 2014 to 2015 and the bug persists. Although I'm starting to believe that it's really a problem with GTK since the interference comes from seemingly random programs.

Michael Schumacher
2014-08-22 15:00:15 UTC (over 9 years ago)

UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder

Von: Powerpuncher

Hi guys,

since i found so much useful information in this thread i just registered here to share an interesting thing i discovert.

I had Kaspersky 2014 installed and after i read the first half of the topic i updated to the 2015 Version without any changes.

Can confirm, I just updated from 2014 to 2015 and the bug persists. Although I'm starting to believe that it's really a problem with GTK since the interference comes from seemingly random programs.

Nobody denies this, in fact I expect it.

In case it hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet (I did mention it in forum threads about the same topic):

It isn't expected that the developers of the interfering apps fix this in their apps, unless there is a real bug. They may be able to provide hints that explain why this is happening, in a way like "we are influencing this and that behavior in windowing events because of..., check your code for anything related to events like...".

For some apps, they might be unwilling to reveal that - Kaspersky could be doing this to prevent some sort of malicous focus grabbing, and not give scammers any hints how to prevent it. But there seem to be a few FLOSS projects involved as well, that might be able to provide more insight.

Regards,
Michael
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Jehan Pagès
2014-08-23 10:42:55 UTC (over 9 years ago)

UI drag and drop issues prevent layer reorder or dialog tab reorder

Hi,

On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Von: Powerpuncher

Hi guys,

since i found so much useful information in this thread i just registered here to share an interesting thing i discovert.

I had Kaspersky 2014 installed and after i read the first half of the topic i updated to the 2015 Version without any changes.

Can confirm, I just updated from 2014 to 2015 and the bug persists. Although I'm starting to believe that it's really a problem with GTK since the interference comes from seemingly random programs.

Nobody denies this, in fact I expect it.

In case it hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet (I did mention it in forum threads about the same topic):

It isn't expected that the developers of the interfering apps fix this in their apps, unless there is a real bug. They may be able to provide hints that explain why this is happening, in a way like "we are influencing this and that behavior in windowing events because of..., check your code for anything related to events like...".

For some apps, they might be unwilling to reveal that - Kaspersky could be doing this to prevent some sort of malicous focus grabbing, and not give scammers any hints how to prevent it. But there seem to be a few FLOSS projects involved as well, that might be able to provide more insight.

Well I sent an email to the contact address of this donationcoder website. Maybe they would know what could be interfering. We'll see. :-)

Jehan

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