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Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility

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Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility Maurice 07 May 14:54
Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility Maurice 07 May 19:28
  Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility Maurice 08 May 16:47
   Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility Johan Vromans 09 May 07:20
    Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility Liam R E Quin 09 May 07:58
     Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility Johan Vromans 09 May 12:11
    Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility Maurice 09 May 11:32
Maurice
2012-05-07 14:54:50 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility

On 2012-05-06 at 21:47 Johan said:

With 2.8RC1:

(1) A window appears showing the current font settings (2) A 'dynamic window' appears where the text entered appears.

Mmm. That's what 2.6 does also. Perhaps there's a bug in 2.7.4?

Johan, when you say (in (2)) "...where the text entered appears", does anything also appear in the 'font settings' window as you enter text?

Did you abuse the Font field of the font settings window for text entry?

No, I didn't touch the Font field. The only thing that happened in that window was that any text entered appeared there in the top left- hand field (but - sadly - not in the 'dynamic' field).

Regards,

Maurice
2012-05-07 19:28:10 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility

On 2012-05-07 at 16:14 Johan said:

This is what I see:

http://www.squirrel.nl/pub/xfer/uploads/3CNiW0hrN9QignV--SLV4-sQ.png

Ah, now that looks fine! Thanks, Johan.

Looks like 2.7.4's version is 'work in progress' between what 2.6 does and 2.8 does, so will hold on until Mageia updates to 2.8.

Thank you nce again ,

Regards,

Maurice
2012-05-08 16:47:45 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility

On 2012-05-07 at 20:28 I said:

will hold on until Mageia updates to 2.8.

For users of the Text facility, there is a handy tutorial:

http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-image-text-management.html

Johan Vromans
2012-05-09 07:20:57 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility

Maurice writes:

For users of the Text facility, there is a handy tutorial: http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-image-text-management.html

Thanks! I needed some experimenting to get used to the new facility but it sure looks handy and efficient. It still needs some work, though.

Since we now have three ways to control text properties there's a risk of confusing descriptions. For example, the text options panel has "Adjust line spacing" while the tool box overlay has "Change baseline of selected font". The options panel has "Adjust letter spacing" while the tool box overlay has "Change kerning of selected text". The text editor seems to be consistent with the tool box overlay.

Several features do not seem to function properly. In particular, the text editor seems to behave strange. See e.g. http://www.squirrel.nl/pub/xfer/uploads/3CAk4t63w4ZFPF_047osONJA.png

In the text options, the kerning is adjusted with +10. This can be seen on the canvas. The second word "the" has had the kerning changed back to 0.

In the text editor, the text is not shown with +10 kerning and, surprise, the second word "the" is not unkerned, but lowered.

Changing the baseline using the semi-transparent tool box does not have any effect, neither does changing the baseline in the text editor. Changing it in the 'classical' tool options dialog does work.

When the text editor is shown, the on-cavas editing doesn't work anymore.

In the text editor, when you want to change e.g. the font size of a piece of text, strange things happen. For example, select the word "quick" and then go to the font size field and use the mouse wheel. The selection is lost and although the font size (number) changes, no text is affected.

I consider these "first release" inconveniences that beyond doubt will get fixed soon.

All by all the new text features are promising.

-- Johan

Liam R E Quin
2012-05-09 07:58:41 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility

On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 09:20 +0200, Johan Vromans wrote:

Since we now have three ways to control text properties there's a risk of confusing descriptions. For example, the text options panel has "Adjust line spacing" while the tool box overlay has "Change baseline of selected font".

Kerning and letter spacing are not the same thing. Or shouldn't be ;-)

Kerning automatically adjust spacing between letters, e.g. moving V and A closer together so that they look as if they are evenly spaced. Kerning uses data included with the fonts. Pair Kerning normally has two settings (on and off); adjusting the spacing between a specific pair of characters is also called kerning - either "every V/A pair" or "this particular pair".

Letter spacing is a constant amount of space added to (or subtracted from) the glyph advance between every pair of characters.

If that's not how the terms are used, please file a bug.

Several features do not seem to function properly. In particular, the text editor seems to behave strange.

Yes, the text editor does not support all of the typographical features.

There was a move to remove it, but there are useability problems with removing it - especially when you have text on a path, or if your text doesn't all fit on the screen.

Changing the baseline using the semi-transparent tool box does not have any effect, neither does changing the baseline in the text editor.

They work fine here, but you have to have selected some text on the canvas.

Changing it in the 'classical' tool options dialog does work.

When the text editor is shown, the on-cavas editing doesn't work anymore.

works here (but I have a pre-release of 2.8) although you can't select text.

In the text editor, when you want to change e.g. the font size of a piece of text, strange things happen. For example, select the word "quick" and then go to the font size field and use the mouse wheel. The selection is lost and although the font size (number) changes, no text is affected.

yes.

I consider these "first release" inconveniences that beyond doubt will get fixed soon.

Especially if you report them so the developers discover it too, and even sooner if you include a patch :-)

Liam

Maurice
2012-05-09 11:32:45 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility

On 2012-05-09 at 08:20 Johan said:

it sure looks handy and efficient. It still needs some work, though.

That sums it up nicely!

Johan Vromans
2012-05-09 12:11:48 UTC (almost 2 years ago)

Problem with Gimp 2.7.4 'Text' facility

Liam R E Quin writes:

If that's not how the terms are used, please file a bug.

Done.

Changing the baseline using the semi-transparent tool box does not have any effect, neither does changing the baseline in the text editor.

They work fine here, but you have to have selected some text on the canvas.

I cannot select text when the editor is active. I have to close the editor, select text on the canvas, and then [x] Use editor on the options panel.

It is (still) not clear what "change baseline" is supposed to do.

When the text editor is shown, the on-cavas editing doesn't work anymore.

works here (but I have a pre-release of 2.8) although you can't select text.

Yes, not being able to select text is what I referred do.

-- Johan