Sent: 2010-07-07 06:53:22 UTC (over 1 year ago)

From: AngelSings4u2

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Hi I am running Windows Vista...I recently downloaded gimp 2.6.9 and now my
brushes and pattern scroller shuts down gimp everytime I try to scroll to
something new...it was all fine before. I have 64 bit version of windows but I
can also run windows 32 bit version as well I think...anyway, any help you
might give would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks, Angel

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Sent: 2010-07-07 06:59:54 UTC (over 1 year ago)

From: Cameron Gregory

GIMP 2.6.9

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On 07/07/2010 02:53 PM, Angel T. wrote:
> Hi I am running Windows Vista...I recently downloaded gimp 2.6.9 and now my
> brushes and pattern scroller shuts down gimp everytime I try to scroll to
> something new...it was all fine before. I have 64 bit version of windows but I
> can also run windows 32 bit version as well I think...anyway, any help you
> might give would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks, Angel
>
>
Thanks, a couple of people have reported this, and it'll be fixed
"soon". Keep an eye out for 2.6.10. Use the mouse wheel instead, that
avoids the bug.

Cameron

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Sent: 2010-07-15 15:26:31 UTC (over 1 year ago)

From: Andre Anckaert

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I have just downloaded the new installers for the stable 2.6.10 version and the Gimp Help:
http://fotoalbum.seniorennet.be/incl/getimage2.php?imageid=1597195&albumid=18832&typeid=4
and executed them to install 2.6.10 on my Windows XP Pro SP3.

GIMP is doing well except that there is a problem with the Help (and the F1-context-helpkey):
http://fotoalbum.seniorennet.be/incl/getimage2.php?imageid=1596062&albumid=18832&typeid=4

I recall having had the same poblems with my first installation of GIMP.

When running the intallator I chose Dutch as my language. And as several other people here are not really familiar with English I thought that donwloading the "nl"-help would be OK. I have indeed everything, although a (very) great part is NOT translated in Dutch:

http://fotoalbum.seniorennet.be/incl/getimage2.php?imageid=1596413&albumid=18832&typeid=4

Now seeing the error-message in #1596062 image I think that I should have the "en"-helpversion downloaded? That's what GIMP is searching for and not finding? In the Help-settings it says that the Users's manual is not locally installed:

http://fotoalbum.seniorennet.be/incl/getimage2.php?imageid=1597248&albumid=18832&typeid=4

Or otherwise, in order to keep as much as possible of the Dutch translation, I might perhaps better just change the name of the existing directory/folder to "en" instead of "nl" ?? Would that be enough to lure GIMP into giving its help??

Thanks in advance for any expert advice.

André Anckaert

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Sent: 2010-07-15 20:54:21 UTC (over 1 year ago)

From: Sven Neumann

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On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 15:28 +0200, Andre Anckaert wrote:

> Or otherwise, in order to keep as much as possible of the Dutch
> translation, I might perhaps better just change the name of the
> existing directory/folder to "en" instead of "nl" ?? Would that be
> enough to lure GIMP into giving its help??

I am not quite sure if I understand what you are reporting here. You
installed the Dutch help package, but it installed itself in a folder
named "en" ??

Please note that you should always install the English manual _and_ the
localized version. That ensures that the help-browser can use the
English manual as a fallback. You could also install other languages as
fallback and use the "help-locales" gimprc variable to tweak the order
of locales that the help browser tries to use.

Sven

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Sent: 2010-07-16 08:56:47 UTC (over 1 year ago)

From: Andre Anckaert

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Hi Sven,

The third image in my yesterday's mail, shows the (Windows) folder where the help was installed: it was definitely "nl". Of course I can still download the "en"-version. I understand that would then be put in a "en"-folder where GIMP would find it.

My clever (?) "otherwise"-proposition was to simply rename the existing "nl"-folder in "en", hoping that GIMP then would show the - partly - translated Dutch help instead of the pure English, which for some people here is like Chinese.

BTW: You CC'd your mail to the gimp-usr list but it was not bounced to me. But I can see it in the archive. How come?

Thanks for your reaction.

André Anckaert

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On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 15:28 +0200, Andre Anckaert wrote:

> Or otherwise, in order to keep as much as possible of the Dutch
> translation, I might perhaps better just change the name of the
> existing directory/folder to "en" instead of "nl" ?? Would that be
> enough to lure GIMP into giving its help??

I am not quite sure if I understand what you are reporting here. You
installed the Dutch help package, but it installed itself in a folder
named "en" ??

Please note that you should always install the English manual _and_ the
localized version. That ensures that the help-browser can use the
English manual as a fallback. You could also install other languages as
fallback and use the "help-locales" gimprc variable to tweak the order
of locales that the help browser tries to use.

Sven

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Sent: 2010-07-17 18:49:50 UTC (over 1 year ago)

From: Andre Anckaert

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I tried out my clever (!) idea to change the name of the Windows-folder:

C:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\share\gimp\2.0\help\nl

in which the Help-installer had put the Dutch Help-version from "nl" to "en". And tweaked nothing else than the Preferences - Help panel:

http://fotoalbum.seniorennet.be/incl/getimage2.php?imageid=1603575&albumid=18832&typeid=4

Now the "Help"-buttons and F1 produce no longer an error. They start a browser-window and display there the Help, in the mixed English/Dutch version it is actually in, that is more or less relevant for the context in which he HELP-button or F1-key was used. Sometimes it seems to be necessary to center the focus on a specific detail.

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Sent: 2010-07-17 20:05:45 UTC (over 1 year ago)

From: Andre Anckaert

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Repeat of my earlier massage. This URL points to a JPEG instead of a PHP.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I tried out my clever (!) idea to change the name of the Windows-folder:

C:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\share\gimp\2.0\help\nl

in which the Help-installer had put the Dutch Help-version from "nl" to "en". And tweaked nothing else than the Preferences - Help panel:

http://fotoalbum.seniorennet.be/incl/getimage2.php?imageid=1603973&albumid=18832&typeid=4

Now the "Help"-buttons and F1 produce no longer an error. They start a browser-window and display there the Help, in the mixed English/Dutch version it is actually in, that is more or less relevant for the context in which he HELP-button or F1-key was used. Sometimes it seems to be necessary to center the focus on a specific detail.

André Anckaert

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Sent: 2010-07-19 10:15:52 UTC (over 1 year ago)

From: Sven Neumann

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On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 18:51 +0200, Andre Anckaert wrote:
> I tried out my clever (!) idea to change the name of the Windows-folder:
>
> C:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\share\gimp\2.0\help\nl
>
> in which the Help-installer had put the Dutch Help-version from "nl" to "en". And tweaked nothing else than the Preferences - Help panel:
>
> http://fotoalbum.seniorennet.be/incl/getimage2.php?imageid=1603575&albumid=18832&typeid=4
>
> Now the "Help"-buttons and F1 produce no longer an error. They start a browser-window and display there the Help, in the mixed English/Dutch version it is actually in, that is more or less relevant for the context in which he HELP-button or F1-key was used. Sometimes it seems to be necessary to center the focus on a specific detail.

Now it would be good to find out why this was necessary at all. Could
you start GIMP from a terminal with the GIMP_DEBUG environment variable
set to the value "help" and send us the output you get when you press
the F1 key?

Sven

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Sent: 2010-07-19 14:18:48 UTC (over 1 year ago)

From: Andre Anckaert

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On Mon, 2010-07-19 10:17 Sven Neumann wrote:

< Now it would be good to find out why this was necessary at all. Could you < start GIMP from a terminal with the GIMP_DEBUG environment variable set to < the value "help" and send us the output you get when you press the F1 key?

I am on Windows XP Pro SP3 and I know of 2 ways to start GIMP: either doubleclick the GIMP-icon on the desktop or the gimp-2.6.exe file. How to set beforehand the GIMP_DEBUG environment variable is way beyond my knowledge.

But nevertheless, I meanwhile found out that I have (a lot of) personal GIMP-files, and where they are:

http://fotoalbum.seniorennet.be/incl/getimage2.php?imageid=1607079&albumid=18832&typeid=4

This fortunate discovery, I hope, will help me a lot to better understand GIMP. Below is a line actually copied from my own "gimprc"-file:

(help-locales "en")

Perhaps it would have been orthodox to change this "en" to "nl". But nevertheless my non-standard trick did the job? The "HELP"-buttons and the F1-key do show me the help I ask. From my locally installed html-base:

C:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\share\gimp\2.0\help\en

http://fotoalbum.seniorennet.be/incl/getimage2.php?imageid=1607415&albumid=18832&typeid=4

As far as I am concerned this case seems closed. Thanks for the help.

André Anckaert

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Sent: 2010-07-20 14:04:41 UTC (over 1 year ago)

From: Sven Neumann

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On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 14:20 +0200, Andre Anckaert wrote:

> But nevertheless, I meanwhile found out that I have (a lot of)
> personal GIMP-files, and where they are:
>
> http://fotoalbum.seniorennet.be/incl/getimage2.php?imageid=1607079&albumid=18832&typeid=4
>
> This fortunate discovery, I hope, will help me a lot to better
> understand GIMP. Below is a line actually copied from my own
> "gimprc"-file:
>
> (help-locales "en")

Ok, that explains a lot. You changed your settings so that the English
Help is always taken, no matter what your locale is. It would be best to
change this back to the default. To do that, just remove that line.

Sven

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