Hi,

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Hi,

in the development branch, we got two Symbolic icon themes, Symbolic and Symbolic-Inverted.

This hints at their relationship, as one is the inverted version of the other. For those who know how the build works, it also tells which one is generated from the other (by means of a gegl:invert-gamma op).

Copy-paste from IRC:

22:59 < Jehan> schumaml: last time we had the discussion, the problem which rised was: is "Symbolic dark" about dark icons (for light themes) or the icon set for dark themes (thus light icons). 23:01 < Jehan> So we went with the idea that the "Symbolic" is simply the default icon theme (hence the light ones for a dark theme).

Now I don't really mind going for dark/light instead. I agree with the rest of the logics of Michael here. Yes, "Symbolic" and "Symbolic Inverted" are not that clear either. It's just that with the split of themes and icon themes, we felt that naming icon themes dark/light were not that clear and obvious either.

Well I needed to state the current logics. Now I don't really care. With the knowledge of why what is named how, you can decide what should be the future name, if it needs to change. :-)

Jehan

We also got five ui themes of different lightness and darkness, and the user is supposed to use a combination of them suited to their own preference and needs. I dare say many may consider light icons on darker backgrounds or dark icons on lighter backgrounds a suitable UI design.

It is not immediately obvious to the user which icon theme is the dark one and which is the light one, by theme name alone. There are icons in the preferences, but there might not always be the advantage of using them, for example when providing text-only support to a "your icons are invisible!1!!"-type support request.

Therefore, I suggest to rename the icons themes to Symbolic-Light and Symbolic-Dark, respectively, and keep them as such for the 2.10 release.

Other names to make the difference and the icons' appearance obvious are possible as well, of course.

-- Regards,
Michael
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Hi,

Wouldn't that confusion be resolved by naming them as they are meant to be used:
Symbolic-for-dark and Symbolic-for-light?

On 31.5.2016 0:35, Jehan Pags wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Hi,

in the development branch, we got two Symbolic icon themes, Symbolic and Symbolic-Inverted.

This hints at their relationship, as one is the inverted version of the other. For those who know how the build works, it also tells which one is generated from the other (by means of a gegl:invert-gamma op).

Copy-paste from IRC:

22:59 < Jehan> schumaml: last time we had the discussion, the problem which rised was: is "Symbolic dark" about dark icons (for light themes) or the icon set for dark themes (thus light icons). 23:01 < Jehan> So we went with the idea that the "Symbolic" is simply the default icon theme (hence the light ones for a dark theme).

Now I don't really mind going for dark/light instead. I agree with the rest of the logics of Michael here. Yes, "Symbolic" and "Symbolic Inverted" are not that clear either. It's just that with the split of themes and icon themes, we felt that naming icon themes dark/light were not that clear and obvious either.

Well I needed to state the current logics. Now I don't really care. With the knowledge of why what is named how, you can decide what should be the future name, if it needs to change. :-)

Jehan

We also got five ui themes of different lightness and darkness, and the user is supposed to use a combination of them suited to their own preference and needs. I dare say many may consider light icons on darker backgrounds or dark icons on lighter backgrounds a suitable UI design.

It is not immediately obvious to the user which icon theme is the dark one and which is the light one, by theme name alone. There are icons in the preferences, but there might not always be the advantage of using them, for example when providing text-only support to a "your icons are invisible!1!!"-type support request.

Therefore, I suggest to rename the icons themes to Symbolic-Light and Symbolic-Dark, respectively, and keep them as such for the 2.10 release.

Other names to make the difference and the icons' appearance obvious are possible as well, of course.

-- Regards,
Michael
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Hello,

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:10 AM, Petteri Soininen wrote:

Hi,

Wouldn't that confusion be resolved by naming them as they are meant to be used:
Symbolic-for-dark and Symbolic-for-light?

Indeed it would. But Schumaml was noting on IRC later on that people could have custom themes which are neither dark nor light (what about a pink My Little Poney theme! :P).
Also we actually have several shades of Grey (official) themes as well. What icon theme is for them?

Someone else was noting that in RawTherapee, they actually have an icon theme of light icons called "Dark" (and the opposite as well) because it is meant to be used with the dark theme. This example really show that the worry of confusion is actually quite real. But in the same time, these are automatically tied together, which is not the case in GIMP. So what works there could not work for us.

Anyway apart from the detail of "how about grey or neither-dark-nor-light themes?" your idea still makes sense.

Jehan

On 31.5.2016 0:35, Jehan Pagès wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Hi,

in the development branch, we got two Symbolic icon themes, Symbolic and Symbolic-Inverted.

This hints at their relationship, as one is the inverted version of the other. For those who know how the build works, it also tells which one is generated from the other (by means of a gegl:invert-gamma op).

Copy-paste from IRC:

22:59 < Jehan> schumaml: last time we had the discussion, the problem which rised was: is "Symbolic dark" about dark icons (for light themes) or the icon set for dark themes (thus light icons). 23:01 < Jehan> So we went with the idea that the "Symbolic" is simply the default icon theme (hence the light ones for a dark theme).

Now I don't really mind going for dark/light instead. I agree with the rest of the logics of Michael here. Yes, "Symbolic" and "Symbolic Inverted" are not that clear either. It's just that with the split of themes and icon themes, we felt that naming icon themes dark/light were not that clear and obvious either.

Well I needed to state the current logics. Now I don't really care. With the knowledge of why what is named how, you can decide what should be the future name, if it needs to change. :-)

Jehan

We also got five ui themes of different lightness and darkness, and the user is supposed to use a combination of them suited to their own preference and needs. I dare say many may consider light icons on darker backgrounds or dark icons on lighter backgrounds a suitable UI design.

It is not immediately obvious to the user which icon theme is the dark one and which is the light one, by theme name alone. There are icons in the preferences, but there might not always be the advantage of using them, for example when providing text-only support to a "your icons are invisible!1!!"-type support request.

Therefore, I suggest to rename the icons themes to Symbolic-Light and Symbolic-Dark, respectively, and keep them as such for the 2.10 release.

Other names to make the difference and the icons' appearance obvious are possible as well, of course.

-- Regards,
Michael
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Hi,

Well, there's only few 'built-in' themes that should be considered now and if the naming
convention fits those, I think that's enough. Other themes can be named freely by their
author anyways and My Little Poney theme will probably be fully customized to fit
existing symbols or with awesome symbols of it's own... :D

-Petteri

On 31.5.2016 12:42, Jehan Pagès wrote:

Hello,

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:10 AM, Petteri Soininen wrote:

Hi,

Wouldn't that confusion be resolved by naming them as they are meant to be used:
Symbolic-for-dark and Symbolic-for-light?

Indeed it would. But Schumaml was noting on IRC later on that people could have custom themes which are neither dark nor light (what about a pink My Little Poney theme! :P).
Also we actually have several shades of Grey (official) themes as well. What icon theme is for them?

Someone else was noting that in RawTherapee, they actually have an icon theme of light icons called "Dark" (and the opposite as well) because it is meant to be used with the dark theme. This example really show that the worry of confusion is actually quite real. But in the same time, these are automatically tied together, which is not the case in GIMP. So what works there could not work for us.

Anyway apart from the detail of "how about grey or neither-dark-nor-light themes?" your idea still makes sense.

Jehan

On 31.5.2016 0:35, Jehan Pagès wrote:

Hi,

On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Hi,

in the development branch, we got two Symbolic icon themes, Symbolic and Symbolic-Inverted.

This hints at their relationship, as one is the inverted version of the other. For those who know how the build works, it also tells which one is generated from the other (by means of a gegl:invert-gamma op).

Copy-paste from IRC:

22:59 < Jehan> schumaml: last time we had the discussion, the problem which rised was: is "Symbolic dark" about dark icons (for light themes) or the icon set for dark themes (thus light icons). 23:01 < Jehan> So we went with the idea that the "Symbolic" is simply the default icon theme (hence the light ones for a dark theme).

Now I don't really mind going for dark/light instead. I agree with the rest of the logics of Michael here. Yes, "Symbolic" and "Symbolic Inverted" are not that clear either. It's just that with the split of themes and icon themes, we felt that naming icon themes dark/light were not that clear and obvious either.

Well I needed to state the current logics. Now I don't really care. With the knowledge of why what is named how, you can decide what should be the future name, if it needs to change. :-)

Jehan

We also got five ui themes of different lightness and darkness, and the user is supposed to use a combination of them suited to their own preference and needs. I dare say many may consider light icons on darker backgrounds or dark icons on lighter backgrounds a suitable UI design.

It is not immediately obvious to the user which icon theme is the dark one and which is the light one, by theme name alone. There are icons in the preferences, but there might not always be the advantage of using them, for example when providing text-only support to a "your icons are invisible!1!!"-type support request.

Therefore, I suggest to rename the icons themes to Symbolic-Light and Symbolic-Dark, respectively, and keep them as such for the 2.10 release.

Other names to make the difference and the icons' appearance obvious are possible as well, of course.

-- Regards,
Michael
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On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 11:42 +0200, Jehan Pagès wrote:

Hello,

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:10 AM, Petteri Soininen wrote:

Hi,

Wouldn't that confusion be resolved by naming them as they are meant to be
used:
Symbolic-for-dark and Symbolic-for-light?

Indeed it would. But Schumaml was noting on IRC later on that people could have custom themes which are neither dark nor light (what about a pink My Little Poney theme! :P).

I am not sure it's such a big deal. We could call the dark one Darth and the light one Luke, and people would just click on them and try them and it'd be enough.

Even better would be to suport a piece of descriptive text included in the theme, but I'm not sure how it would get translated.

Liam

Liam R. E. Quin 

Even better would be to suport a piece of descriptive text included in the theme, but I'm not sure how it would get translated.

Even better would be an example icon. Then we don't need to care about the wording that much.

Regards Tobias

Even better would be to suport a piece of descriptive text included in the theme, but I'm not sure how it would get translated.

Even better would be an example icon. Then we don't need to care about the wording that much.

Regards Tobias

You're right. I think Photoshop had the same questions and doubts we are experience here; which is why they probably included icons of the themes in the preferences.

Regards

joseph

Hello,

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Tobias Jakobs wrote:

Even better would be to suport a piece of descriptive text included in the theme, but I'm not sure how it would get translated.

Even better would be an example icon. Then we don't need to care about the wording that much.

There is already an example icon. I added this months ago!

Jehan

Regards
Tobias

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On 16-06-01 02:47 AM, Liam R. E. Quin wrote:

I am not sure it's such a big deal. We could call the dark one Darth and the light one Luke, and people would just click on them and try them and it'd be enough.

The names are of no importance to me. I use the click and try approach to check out the themes for my MATE desktop. I have done the same thing with the themes for GIMP.

Cheers!

Kevin.

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