You can download a build from my page www.partha.com. Should work from Snow Leopard all the way to Yosemite.

If you do, let me know if you have issues.

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Michael Bauer wrote:

Hiya

Anyone heard anything about a build of .14 for OSX? Been checking the downloads page but nothing there yet, wondering if I'm looking in the wrong place?

michael

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On September 11, 2014 2:34:25 AM CEST, Michael Bauer wrote:

But perhaps I'm wrong and there IS an easy way of changing this... fingers crossed I guess... go on, someone surprise me?

We got a preview of a 2.8.14 dmg available at http://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/staging/

Made by Sven Claussner, and could use some testing.

Regards, 
Michael

On 11.9.2014 at 2:59 AM Michael Schumacher wrote:

On September 11, 2014 2:34:25 AM CEST, Michael Bauer wrote:

But perhaps I'm wrong and there IS an easy way of changing this... fingers crossed I guess... go on, someone surprise me?

We got a preview of a 2.8.14 dmg available at http://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/staging/

Made by Sven Claussner, and could use some testing.

As Michael Schumacher wrote, I've made a 2.8.14 build right from the sources, i.e. with no additional tweaks, with just the standard set of plug-ins and with all the languages GIMP usually ships. It requires a 64 bit machine (Mac from 2006 and later, Mac mini from 2007 and later) and at least OS X 10.9 (Mavericks) I'm currently busy with trying to include the user manual and hopefully I can get the build done for older OS X versions, too. In the meantime please be a bit patient and good luck with the preview build. I'd be grateful for feedback if any blocking(!) bugs are found (and of course for positive feedback, too ;-) ).

Kind regards

Sven

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Michael Bauer wrote:

Hi Partha,

Thanks for that... it installed ok but I feel like I'm about to go through a why-oh-why moment (not your fault).

So I installed it, it comes up in English, so I go the the UI option where, hooray, I find a Language option. Immediately followed by a groan because it offers me System Language and English.

What is a person supposed to do if they're on a locale which Apple doesn't support? Like 99% of the world's languages...

And I'm also dismayed that in spite of my many emails to the list where I tried to make triple sure that all was going smoothly for .14, we've hit this stumbling block.

Really not happy right now. I've googled around a bit but I *really* can't promote this to people and tell them to mess around with shell scripts.

This shouldn't happen and there is no need to mess with any script. I will check into it.

But perhaps I'm wrong and there IS an easy way of changing this... fingers crossed I guess... go on, someone surprise me?

Yes, the fix is quite easy if there is a problem.

Michael

11/09/2014 01:05, sgrìobh Partha Bagchi:

You can download a build from my page www.partha.com. Should work from Snow Leopard all the way to Yosemite.

If you do, let me know if you have issues.

Michael B.,

I am confused. Which version of OSX do you have? My version supports Snow Leopard to Yosemite.

I just checked and here is a screenshot from 2.8.14 (I am running Yosemite):

http://www.partha.com/images/screenshots/Gimp-2.8.14-Language-screenshot.jpg

Can you send me a screenshot or tell me how it looks on your system? Also, it's possible your system does not have the iso-codes necessary for the language display. If so, we can easily (I think) fix this.

If you are using my version, you can also leave me a message on my website or also post on gimpchat.com.

Thanks, Partha

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Michael Bauer wrote:

Hi Michael

Thanks. On my slightly older MacBook (which has a version of OSX which does not support gd at all) I have the same problem, only [System language] and [English] are on offer. I borrowed a friend's newer Mac where you can set gd as the locale (though it doesn't actually change the UI language), GIMP does now come up in Gaelic. However, I went to check the Settings and oddly enough (in Gaelic), it offers me [System language] and [Gaelic (en-US)].

Two questions, why - since there IS a manual UI language selection menu - are there only 2 locales on offer, default and English? Surely the mo, po or whatever format files GIMP uses to provide the UI are not *that* large that they cannot be included? And why is Gaelic shown as [Gaelic (en-US)]?

Minor bug possibly? The toolbars are not visible when the program starts but when I hit the yellow button to minimize the GIMP window, it minimizes and (automatically) maximizes again but this time with the toolbars on top. Everything else seems to be working but I'll play with it a bit more.

Michael

11/09/2014 01:59, sgrìobh Michael Schumacher:

We got a preview of a 2.8.14 dmg available athttp://download.gimp.org/ pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/staging/

Made by Sven Claussner, and could use some testing.

On 11.9.2014 at 12:50 PM Michael Bauer wrote:

The screenshot is from the version Michael S posted the link for but the end result is pretty much the same. To sum up: Mavericks:
Partha's dmg: UI in English, only System Language and English offered in dropdown, even with gd selected as OSX locale Michael S's dmg: UI in Gaelic, only System Language and [Gàidhlig (en-US)] offered in dropdown, with gd selected as OSX locale

That's strange. I tested my build (= the one Michael Schumacher referred to) on Mavericks and see a long list of languages in the language selector, not only these both. With Partha's build I see indeed only two items. Also, what language is your primary language in the OS X system settings (I mean, what's it's native name so I could reproduce some issues)? Are more people experiencing this effect?

Kind regards

Sven

Gimp relies on the pkg-isocodes data files to generate the language list correctly.

Patha: Please build and ship pkg-isocodes with your gimp binaries. That should fix this issue.

Sources are available here: http://pkg-isocodes.alioth.debian.org/

If you already do ship pkg-isocodes (I didn't check), then this is an issue with finding those files.

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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:33 AM, scl wrote:

On 11.9.2014 at 12:50 PM Michael Bauer wrote:

The screenshot is from the version Michael S posted the link for but the end result is pretty much the same. To sum up: Mavericks:
Partha's dmg: UI in English, only System Language and English offered in dropdown, even with gd selected as OSX locale Michael S's dmg: UI in Gaelic, only System Language and [Gàidhlig (en-US)] offered in dropdown, with gd selected as OSX locale

That's strange. I tested my build (= the one Michael Schumacher referred to) on Mavericks and see a long list of languages in the language selector, not only these both. With Partha's build I see indeed only two items. Also, what language is your primary language in the OS X system settings (I mean, what's it's native name so I could reproduce some issues)? Are more people experiencing this effect?

Kind regards

Sven

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I do package them with Windows where I think it's needed.

Didn't have the need before on Macs. I will add them to the Mac version as well in case they are missing from a user's machine.

Thanks, Partha

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Gimp relies on the pkg-isocodes data files to generate the language list correctly.

Patha: Please build and ship pkg-isocodes with your gimp binaries. That should fix this issue.

Sources are available here: http://pkg-isocodes.alioth.debian.org/

If you already do ship pkg-isocodes (I didn't check), then this is an issue with finding those files.

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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:33 AM, scl wrote:

On 11.9.2014 at 12:50 PM Michael Bauer wrote:

The screenshot is from the version Michael S posted the link for but the end result is pretty much the same. To sum up: Mavericks:
Partha's dmg: UI in English, only System Language and English offered in dropdown, even with gd selected as OSX locale Michael S's dmg: UI in Gaelic, only System Language and [Gàidhlig (en-US)] offered in dropdown, with gd selected as OSX locale

That's strange. I tested my build (= the one Michael Schumacher referred

to)

on Mavericks and see a long list of languages in the language selector, not only these both. With Partha's build I see indeed only two items. Also, what language is your primary language in the OS X system settings (I mean, what's it's native name so I could reproduce some issues)? Are more people experiencing this effect?

Kind regards

Sven

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Am 11.09.14 um 16:33 schrieb scl:

Are more people experiencing this effect?

Hello, no answers?
Is there anybody else experiencing the effect that the build from http://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/staging/ shows only two languages in the language selector listbox?

Kind regards

Sven

Hi Sven,

Ive downloaded your build and Im experiencing the exact same issue.

The language selector only shows system language and en_US. And it seems to me, that your build is picking up languages from OS X System Preferences, and even uses all other languages in System Preferences as fallback, if the primary one is not complete (as for Gaeilge)

BTW, Ive never used this part of the code at all and only rely on System Preferences as any other OS X Application does.

Regards Simone

Am 14.09.2014 um 08:13 schrieb scl :

Am 11.09.14 um 16:33 schrieb scl:

Are more people experiencing this effect?

Hello, no answers?
Is there anybody else experiencing the effect that the build from http://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v2.8/osx/staging/ shows only two languages in the language selector listbox?

Kind regards

Sven

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On 14.9.2014 at 10:38 AM Simone Karin Lehmann wrote:

Hi Sven,

Ive downloaded your build and Im experiencing the exact same issue.

The language selector only shows system language and en_US.

thank you for reporting back.
It seems to be a relocation issue. To reproduce the issue tried both - revoking read permissions from the original build prefix and - renaming the original build prefix. In both cases I only see 'System language' and 'English (en_US)' now in the listbox. Reverting these changes brings the other languages back immediately (without restarting GIMP). This would also explain to me why Partha and users of his build have the same issue (see his mail from 11.09.14 12:35 PM). I'm just trying to make the code in
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/app/widgets/gimplanguagestore-parser.c?h=gimp-2-8#n124 relocatable. Perhaps that would fix it.

And it seems to me, that your build is picking up languages from OS X System Preferences, and even uses all other languages in System Preferences as fallback, if the primary one is not complete (as for Gaeilge)

Oh, where in the code did you see this?

Kind regards

Sven

Am 14.09.14 at 11:40 AM scl wrote:

On 14.9.2014 at 10:38 AM Simone Karin Lehmann wrote:

The language selector only shows system language and en_US.

thank you for reporting back.
It seems to be a relocation issue. To reproduce the issue tried both - revoking read permissions from the original build prefix and - renaming the original build prefix. In both cases I only see 'System language' and 'English (en_US)' now in the listbox. Reverting these changes brings the other languages back immediately (without restarting GIMP). This would also explain to me why Partha and users of his build have the same issue (see his mail from 11.09.14 12:35 PM). I'm just trying to make the code in
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/app/widgets/gimplanguagestore-parser.c?h=gimp-2-8#n124

relocatable. Perhaps that would fix it.

Resolved fixed.
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commit ef0ef921b8dcb49ee82acba6540b69e6617c65d9 Author: Sven Claussner
Date: Sun Sep 14 14:43:58 2014 +0200

Bug 721482 - Make language codes relocatable

Although all translation files are in the OS X bundle GIMP didn't recognize other languages than the system's language and English (en_US) on OS X on other machines. It searched the language code file from the iso-codes package (iso_639.xml) in the build prefix which is usually not existing on other machines.
This commit puts that file into the OS X bundle and makes GIMP search for it there.

app/widgets/gimplanguagestore-parser.c | 2 +- build/osx/gimp-2.8-python.bundle | 2 ++ build/osx/gimp-master-python.bundle | 2 ++ 3 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) ---
I tested under the circumstances as shown above to reproduce the fancy effect and it workes fine here.

>> BTW, Ive never used this part of the code at all and only rely on System Preferences as any other OS X Application does.

Well, that's indeed a point why we provide an extra language selector while the user can already set the language in the operating system resp. desktop environment. This is questionable not only on OS X, but on all systems.
Especially on OS X we currently have the effect that the language of most of the UI is set in our selector, but the language of system specific menu items from the App menu can only be set in the OS X' system preferences. The convenient way for users to set the language consistently is to use 'System language' in GIMP, set the desired language as primary language in the system's preferences and restart GIMP.
From a technical point of view the language information is something that has to be provided by the application framework to make sure all applications based on it behave the same.

Kind regards

Sven

Am 14.09.2014 um 15:08 schrieb scl :

BTW, Ive never used this part of the code at all and only rely on System Preferences as any other OS X Application does.

Well, that's indeed a point why we provide an extra language selector while the user can already set the language in the operating system resp. desktop environment. This is questionable not only on OS X, but on all systems. Especially on OS X we currently have the effect that the language of most of the UI is set in our selector, but the language of system specific menu items from the App menu can only be set in the OS X' system preferences.

Im not quite sure if I understand you correctly. Do you mean, that without the language chooser code, the language of some App menu items and other menu items is different? This does _not_ happen with my build.

As Ive written, my build only relies on System Preferences. Ive completely disabled the language chooser code and of course have added some patches to read System Preferences. And, well, all App menu items and all other menu items show up in the same language, Ive chosen in System Preferences. Well, if some strings are not translated in e.g. Gaelige, then the second language setting in System Preferences is chosen, then the third and so on.

The convenient way for users to set the language consistently is to use 'System language' in GIMP, set the desired language as primary language in the system's preferences and restart GIMP.

Isnt it easier at all to only set the primary language in System Preferences, along with some secondary setting and maybe some more? Why using the language selector in GIMP? As far as I can see, there is no need for the language selector, at least my builds work without it very well.

From a technical point of view the language information is something that has to be provided by the application framework to make sure all applications based on it behave the same.

And AFAIK, even your build should now that GIMP uses gtk-mac-integration word without the language selector. I not, try my patches and rewritten library.

Regards Simone

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On 14.09.2014 20:15, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote:

Isnt it easier at all to only set the primary language in System Preferences, along with some secondary setting and maybe some more? Why using the language selector in GIMP? As far as I can see, there is no need for the language selector, at least my builds work without it very well.

It used to be like this on Windows for a looong time, and turned out that many people want to use GIMP in a language different from their system's - it is quite common for users to stick with the original English, because about every tutorial you can find is written in this language.

This doesn't seem to be possible with your builds at the moment, unless the users change their system preferences?

Regards,
Michael
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On 14 Sep 2014, at 21:54, Michael Schumacher > wrote:

On 14.09.2014 20:15, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote:

Isnt it easier at all to only set the primary language in System Preferences, along with some secondary setting and maybe some more? Why using the language selector in GIMP? As far as I can see, there is no need for the language selector, at least my builds work without it very well.

It used to be like this on Windows for a looong time, and turned out that many people want to use GIMP in a language different from their system's - it is quite common for users to stick with the original English, because about every tutorial you can find is written in this language.

This doesn't seem to be possible with your builds at the moment, unless the users change their system preferences?

Indeed. It isnt possible within GIMP but in System Preferences. As with all other native OS X applications. At least I dont know about a native application having its own language selector.

Regards Simone Karin

On 14.09.2014 22:11, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote:

It used to be like this on Windows for a looong time, and turned out that many people want to use GIMP in a language different from their system's - it is quite common for users to stick with the original English, because about every tutorial you can find is written in this language.

This doesn't seem to be possible with your builds at the moment, unless the users change their system preferences?

Indeed. It isnt possible within GIMP but in System Preferences. As with all other native OS X applications. At least I dont know about a native application having its own language selector.

This selector has been added to GIMP to address this issue, as "your system is set to language X, therefor you apparently want to use your apps in this language" didn't exactly turn out to be what all users want on the Windows platforms, at least.

And it isn't actually easier on Linux platforms, either, users there might just have been more versed with "eh, I'll just run it as LANG=mylanguage gimp &").

Regards,
Michael
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I don't think it's a Windows thing. :)

On Windows, the language is handled in app/language.c which all works out nicely at the moment (even if it's a hack)

On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

On 14.09.2014 22:11, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote:

It used to be like this on Windows for a looong time, and turned out that many people want to use GIMP in a language different from their system's - it is quite common for users to stick with the original English, because about every tutorial you can find is written in this language.

This doesn't seem to be possible with your builds at the moment, unless the users change their system preferences?

Indeed. It isn’t possible within GIMP but in System Preferences. As with all other native OS X applications. At least I don’t know about a native application having its own language selector.

This selector has been added to GIMP to address this issue, as "your system is set to language X, therefor you apparently want to use your apps in this language" didn't exactly turn out to be what all users want on the Windows platforms, at least.

And it isn't actually easier on Linux platforms, either, users there might just have been more versed with "eh, I'll just run it as LANG=mylanguage gimp &").

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Simone,

It is indeed possible to change the language within Gimp without changing the system language.

If you are packaging the iso-codes, you should be able to see and set the default Gimp language without changing system language.

Thanks, Partha

On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote:

On 14 Sep 2014, at 21:54, Michael Schumacher > wrote:

On 14.09.2014 20:15, Simone Karin Lehmann wrote:

Isn’t it easier at all to only set the primary language in System Preferences, along with some secondary setting and maybe some more? Why using the language selector in GIMP? As far as I can see, there is no need for the language selector, at least my builds work without it very well.

It used to be like this on Windows for a looong time, and turned out that many people want to use GIMP in a language different from their system's - it is quite common for users to stick with the original English, because about every tutorial you can find is written in this language.

This doesn't seem to be possible with your builds at the moment, unless the users change their system preferences?

Indeed. It isn’t possible within GIMP but in System Preferences. As with all other native OS X applications. At least I don’t know about a native application having its own language selector.

Regards Simone Karin

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Am 14.09.2014 um 23:27 schrieb Partha Bagchi :

Simone,

It is indeed possible to change the language within Gimp without changing the system language.

yes, I know.
I meant that my builds don’t support setting the locale within GIMP. And, I disabled the code intentionally.

If you are packaging the iso-codes, you should be able to see and set the default Gimp language without changing system language.

I don’t see a need for this. Two UI elements to set the application localization are IMO more confusing than useful and don’t confirm to the OS X guidelines (ok, ok, I know, GIMP is just a port not an OS X application, and there should be as few as possible platform dependent code). Nevertheless, IMO native Mac applications should respect the user’s settings in System Preferences, and if you’re really such an advanced user who want’s to run GIMP in a different locale than your system locale, you can still do this, as Michael said, in ‚the Linux way‘ via Terminal by typing

LANG=zh_CN.UTF-8 open -a GIMP

And, if I understand Sven correctly, you’ll get a mixture of languages in the App menu, if the system preferred language differs from GIMP’s language selector. So it’s still a hack. BTW, this is just the same as if you use the above command line. You’ll get the same mixture of languages.

Ok, you have an UI element for this whereas I use the command line… ;-) (SCNR)

Regards Simone Karin