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new heal tool in gimp 2.8 miroslav talasek 24 Apr 21:15
new heal tool in gimp 2.8 miroslav talasek 24 Apr 21:30
  new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Alexia Death 25 Apr 05:27
   new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Miroslav Talasek 25 Apr 07:55
    new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Alexia Death 25 Apr 09:57
     new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Miroslav Talasek 25 Apr 11:06
   new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Miroslav Talasek 27 Apr 07:45
    new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Alexia Death 27 Apr 08:40
     new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Miroslav Talasek 27 Apr 08:44
    new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Alexandre Prokoudine 27 Apr 08:54
     new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Miroslav Talasek 27 Apr 09:01
      new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Tobias Jakobs 27 Apr 12:06
       new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Miroslav Talasek 27 Apr 12:41
        new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Michael Schumacher 27 Apr 13:51
         new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Miroslav Talasek 27 Apr 13:59
          new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Kurt Pruenner 27 Apr 14:06
           new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Miroslav Talasek 27 Apr 14:11
           new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Miroslav Talasek 27 Apr 14:19
        new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Alexandre Prokoudine 27 Apr 14:59
         new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Miroslav Talasek 03 May 13:01
         new heal tool in gimp 2.8 Miroslav Talasek 03 May 13:10
miroslav talasek
2012-04-24 21:15:34 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

hi all
i am photographer (http://photo.talasek.sk) and i retouch in gimp linux only , photographing is my hobby, my normal work is developer
I must tell us that new heal tool not work properly , create brigthnes smudges and kill colors
old heal tool wor wery good for me
if i change  gimpheal.c with old one a then compile everything is ok in atachment i send new healtool which not work properly and old one .. which is perfect
also i make compare xcf file , u must download it from

http://photo.talasek.sk/special/healtool.tar.bz2

in separate layers is same action with old and new heal tool and source image

My opinion is: it is nessesary change it ? what is the reason for change it ?
thanks for answer

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miroslav talasek
2012-04-24 21:30:10 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

old and new file is also included in archive with xcf file here
http://photo.talasek.sk/special/healtool.tar.bz2 --
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Alexia Death
2012-04-25 05:27:19 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

There was a bug in the heal tool that could cause what you describe that had a fix committed yesterday. you probably can get away with grabbing the latest heal c file from git and building again.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:30 AM, miroslav talasek wrote:

old and new file is also included in archive with xcf file here
http://photo.talasek.sk/special/healtool.tar.bz2

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Miroslav Talasek
2012-04-25 07:55:16 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

No no i grab it from git yesterday after comit http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=8cd272bb8024886822185e9c39be276bf1c97a4e

if u compare sources in attachment or in tar.bz2 file marked as new (broken for me) u will see
also u can make diff between them and between old version and new

On 04/25/2012 07:27 AM, Alexia Death wrote:

There was a bug in the heal tool that could cause what you describe that had a fix committed yesterday. you probably can get away with grabbing the latest heal c file from git and building again.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:30 AM, miroslav talasek wrote:

old and new file is also included in archive with xcf file here
http://photo.talasek.sk/special/healtool.tar.bz2

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Alexia Death
2012-04-25 09:57:36 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

Can you just make a bug with a comparative test image of what you think is wrong?

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

No no i grab it from git yesterday after comit http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=8cd272bb8024886822185e9c39be276bf1c97a4e

if u compare sources in attachment or in tar.bz2 file marked as new (broken for me) u will see
also u can make diff between them and between old version and new

On 04/25/2012 07:27 AM, Alexia Death wrote:

There was a bug in the heal tool that could cause what you describe that had a fix committed yesterday. you probably can get away with grabbing the latest heal c file from git and building again.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:30 AM, miroslav talasek wrote:

old and new file is also included in archive with xcf file here
http://photo.talasek.sk/special/healtool.tar.bz2

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Miroslav Talasek
2012-04-25 11:06:12 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

so i sent comparative image test in first and second email

here is comparative image test and old and new source in one archive :

http://photo.talasek.sk/special/healtool.tar.bz2

On 04/25/2012 11:57 AM, Alexia Death wrote:

Can you just make a bug with a comparative test image of what you think is wrong?

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

No no i grab it from git yesterday after comit http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?id=8cd272bb8024886822185e9c39be276bf1c97a4e

if u compare sources in attachment or in tar.bz2 file marked as new (broken for me) u will see
also u can make diff between them and between old version and new

On 04/25/2012 07:27 AM, Alexia Death wrote:

There was a bug in the heal tool that could cause what you describe that had a fix committed yesterday. you probably can get away with grabbing the latest heal c file from git and building again.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:30 AM, miroslav talasek wrote:

old and new file is also included in archive with xcf file here
http://photo.talasek.sk/special/healtool.tar.bz2

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Miroslav Talasek
2012-04-27 07:45:49 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

Any results ?
and could u tell me why we change healing algo ? On 04/25/2012 07:27 AM, Alexia Death wrote:

There was a bug in the heal tool that could cause what you describe that had a fix committed yesterday. you probably can get away with grabbing the latest heal c file from git and building again.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:30 AM, miroslav talasek wrote:

old and new file is also included in archive with xcf file here
http://photo.talasek.sk/special/healtool.tar.bz2

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Developer, Team leader
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Alexia Death
2012-04-27 08:40:04 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

New heal looks better to me. It doesnt blur so much. I dont know why it was changed. It's probably better somhow. You can argue on bugtracker if you want to, but there is nothing I can do about this.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

Any results ?
and could u tell me why we change healing algo ? On 04/25/2012 07:27 AM, Alexia Death wrote:

There was a bug in the heal tool that could cause what you describe that had a fix committed yesterday. you probably can get away with grabbing the latest heal c file from git and building again.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:30 AM, miroslav talasek wrote:

old and new file is also included in archive with xcf file here
http://photo.talasek.sk/special/healtool.tar.bz2

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Miroslav Talasek
2012-04-27 08:44:31 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

but kill color and it is nod good for retouch skin, it is possible to configure it ? in gimp settings probably (in runtime ) ?

On 04/27/2012 10:40 AM, Alexia Death wrote:

New heal looks better to me. It doesnt blur so much. I dont know why it was changed. It's probably better somhow. You can argue on bugtracker if you want to, but there is nothing I can do about this.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

Any results ?
and could u tell me why we change healing algo ? On 04/25/2012 07:27 AM, Alexia Death wrote:

There was a bug in the heal tool that could cause what you describe that had a fix committed yesterday. you probably can get away with grabbing the latest heal c file from git and building again.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:30 AM, miroslav talasek wrote:

old and new file is also included in archive with xcf file here
http://photo.talasek.sk/special/healtool.tar.bz2

-- MSc. Miroslav Talasek
Developer, Team leader
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Alexandre Prokoudine
2012-04-27 08:54:05 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

Any results ?
and could u tell me why we change healing algo ?

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630028

And no, it's not configurable.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

Miroslav Talasek
2012-04-27 09:01:03 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

and can i do it configurable ? and send u patch ?

On 04/27/2012 10:54 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

Any results ?
and could u tell me why we change healing algo ?

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630028

And no, it's not configurable.

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Tobias Jakobs
2012-04-27 12:06:20 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

I think the better way is to fix the tool and send a patch.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:01, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

and can i do it configurable ? and send u patch ?

On 04/27/2012 10:54 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

Any results ?
and could u tell me why we change healing algo ?

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=630028

And no, it's not configurable.

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Miroslav Talasek
2012-04-27 12:41:26 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

but fix mean return back to old algo for me , and Alexandre Prokoudine told that new algo is better for him

the right solution is use both algo and u may choose between them

what is the right way ?

On 04/27/2012 02:06 PM, Tobias Jakobs wrote:

I think the better way is to fix the tool and send a patch.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:01, Miroslav Talasek > wrote:

and can i do it configurable ? and send u patch ?

On 04/27/2012 10:54 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

Any results ? and could u tell me why we change healing algo ?

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=630028

And no, it's not configurable.

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Michael Schumacher
2012-04-27 13:51:08 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

Von: Miroslav Talasek

but fix mean return back to old algo for me , and Alexandre Prokoudine told that new algo is better for him

the right solution is use both algo and u may choose between them

what is the right way ?

Analyzing. In particular, why the new algorithm performs worse for your use cases and better for others.

This could lead to the result that there is no better approach for either case, or that there is a different algorithm that covers more use cases with a better performance.

Regards, Michael

Miroslav Talasek
2012-04-27 13:59:06 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

Ok if u have some results I will gladly to test id

On 04/27/2012 03:51 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Analyzing. In particular, why the new algorithm performs worse for your use cases and better for others.

This could lead to the result that there is no better approach for either case, or that there is a different algorithm that covers more use cases with a better performance.

Kurt Pruenner
2012-04-27 14:06:49 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

On 27.04.12 15:59, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

On 04/27/2012 03:51 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Analyzing. In particular, why the new algorithm performs worse for your use cases and better for others.

This could lead to the result that there is no better approach for either case, or that there is a different algorithm that covers more use cases with a better performance.

Ok if u have some results I will gladly to test id

Shouldn't you give an example of how it doesn't work for you first? Just saying "it doesn't work for me" isn't giving any insight in what's wrong (if anything)...

Miroslav Talasek
2012-04-27 14:11:44 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

here is file in one layer is source in other is healing tool version from git and other layer is older version and last layer is schematicaly what i do

http://photo.talasek.sk/special/healtool.tar.bz2

On 04/27/2012 04:06 PM, Kurt Pruenner wrote:

On 27.04.12 15:59, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

On 04/27/2012 03:51 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Analyzing. In particular, why the new algorithm performs worse for your use cases and better for others.

This could lead to the result that there is no better approach for either case, or that there is a different algorithm that covers more use cases with a better performance.

Ok if u have some results I will gladly to test id

Shouldn't you give an example of how it doesn't work for you first? Just saying "it doesn't work for me" isn't giving any insight in what's wrong (if anything)...

Miroslav Talasek
2012-04-27 14:19:45 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

the new one (nod good for me) works more like cloning (kill target color) the old one (good from me) keep target color and is better for retouch skin structure

On 04/27/2012 04:06 PM, Kurt Pruenner wrote:

On 27.04.12 15:59, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

On 04/27/2012 03:51 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Analyzing. In particular, why the new algorithm performs worse for your use cases and better for others.

This could lead to the result that there is no better approach for either case, or that there is a different algorithm that covers more use cases with a better performance.

Ok if u have some results I will gladly to test id

Shouldn't you give an example of how it doesn't work for you first? Just saying "it doesn't work for me" isn't giving any insight in what's wrong (if anything)...

Alexandre Prokoudine
2012-04-27 14:59:59 UTC (over 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

but fix mean return back to old algo for me , and Alexandre Prokoudine told that new algo is better for him

Did I? Is it? :)

the right solution is use both algo and u may choose between them

what is the right way ?

The right way is to analyze why things happen exactly the way they happen and whether it's possible to implement it properly without configurations. If a particular proprietary application manages to not have it configurable and still do the job, certainly we can do too :) This isn't rocket science.

Let's just not treat confugurability as some sort of a silver bullet.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

Miroslav Talasek
2012-05-03 13:01:48 UTC (about 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

I made another test
i made 4 colour picture and with heal tool copy center to all colour

On 04/27/2012 04:59 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

but fix mean return back to old algo for me , and Alexandre Prokoudine told that new algo is better for him

Did I? Is it? :)

the right solution is use both algo and u may choose between them

what is the right way ?

The right way is to analyze why things happen exactly the way they happen and whether it's possible to implement it properly without configurations. If a particular proprietary application manages to not have it configurable and still do the job, certainly we can do too :) This isn't rocket science.

Let's just not treat confugurability as some sort of a silver bullet.

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Miroslav Talasek
2012-05-03 13:10:03 UTC (about 2 years ago)

new heal tool in gimp 2.8

the old heal is on this bad but human skin isn't like this :D so new heal tool is similar like clone tool with not full opacity

U can see that new heal toool is more agdresive to target , kill it , this is not good for heal skin in portraits

i sen all images in attachment

On 04/27/2012 04:59 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Miroslav Talasek wrote:

but fix mean return back to old algo for me , and Alexandre Prokoudine told that new algo is better for him

Did I? Is it? :)

the right solution is use both algo and u may choose between them

what is the right way ?

The right way is to analyze why things happen exactly the way they happen and whether it's possible to implement it properly without configurations. If a particular proprietary application manages to not have it configurable and still do the job, certainly we can do too :) This isn't rocket science.

Let's just not treat confugurability as some sort of a silver bullet.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
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